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by Gabriel
Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:39 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

...30000 hours Captain Haynes, Pilot In Command of the flight, instructed Fitch to close the throttles on short final because they were coming in too fast BECAUSE?... Note: 3BS is embellishing this to make a point. ...Because he was a total POS idiot who didn't know a phyling phug about phugoids? O...
by Gabriel
Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:22 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

30000 hours Captain Haynes, Pilot In Command of the flight, instructed Fitch to close the throttles on short final because they were coming in too fast. Fitch, who was also very experienced, a Training Check Airman Captain for United, but who was not a required crew member but happened to be in the ...
by Gabriel
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:32 am
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

4- The relatively good outcome of UAL was a great achievement given what the flight crew knew, but it was NOT thanks to the 30000 hours TT of experience of Captain Haynes. And it could (which doesn't mean would) have been done better had the pilots knew and trained how to manage phugoid, what they ...
by Gabriel
Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:52 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

Obviously, I cannot prove what you think to any sort of legal or scientific standard. Nevertheless, I think I lean a bit with phlyboy that you have a bit of phugoid phixation- JMO and my opinion won't hold up in court either. The problem is when you think that I think something that is direct oppos...
by Gabriel
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:28 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

PLEASE READ THIS POST MORE CAREFULLY THAN THE PREVIOUS ONES AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I SAY RATHER THAN WHAT YOU WANT ME TO SAY OR YOU IMAGINE I SAY. I would infer from your word that the UAL guys had improper training. (The dot is a period and the proverbial end of discussion...right?). Wrong. For...
by Gabriel
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:38 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

-You are pretty insistent about "good outcomes" and that the UAL landing should have been better. I don't think I used should but could . But I will now. With proper understanding, training and practice, the UAL landing should have been better, which doesn't mean that it would have been better, but...
by Gabriel
Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:42 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

You are misrepresenting what I am saying, quite a bit. black and white/all-or-nothing thinking. Here's another: The UA crew didn't really understand phugoid behavior and if they had understood, they would very likely have made a 'proverbial good' landing where everyone walked away. I know, you can g...
by Gabriel
Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:21 am
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

Nobody can precisely replicate in the sim an engine damage and failure that ends up with the cowling flying away and hitting and severing a pax window with the pax partially flying away. So let's not practice engine failures and loss of pressurization. Because you know, not replicating EXACTLY the s...
by Gabriel
Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:04 am
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

And what does "demonstrated in practice" mean? I believe it was "demonstrated in practice" that Sully had plenty of attitude to make it back to the airport. I said "tested in practice" as opposed to "calculated in theory". It was done, as much as the Sully landing. By DHL to some extent, by NASA, a...
by Gabriel
Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:54 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

With no way to manage AoA, turns have to be wide and changes in pitch very smooth. You want a very long final rather than a circuit pattern. It's been a while and I must have forgotten- at what point did they lay it over into a steep bank, make harsh pitch changes or aim on a tight base leg? There'...
by Gabriel
Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:25 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

Say what you want. It can be done. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Baghdad_DHL_attempted_shootdown_incident https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUstvXSytRc And these guys had not trained it either and had to learn it on-the-fly too. Add some hours of training and sim practice with an instructor demon...
by Gabriel
Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:10 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

I can tell you it was enough of a bitch trying to land an A320 in mechanical backup (in the sim, of course). Mind you, we had a rudder, flaps, stab trim, and gear. Made it to 34R at SEA, but VERY barely. How many hours had you spent learning and practicing how to handle the plane in that condition,...
by Gabriel
Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:04 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

Part II: [...] I begin to see flyboy's side that it's not the best use of time. It is my side too. That one thing (training in phugoid management) can be done doesn't mean that it should be done. Two different things. I'm still wondering how the Sioux City bunch was going to stay on the runway and ...
by Gabriel
Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:54 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

So Gabe, you've got this tone that if the Sioux City guys had some sim time and just done 1, 2, 3, and 4 there'd have been no crash. BUT 1. They had more problems than no controls. I think there were several minutes where A. Staying right side up was a challenge and B. Having directional control wa...
by Gabriel
Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:37 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering


So Gabe, you've got this tone that if the Sioux City guys had some sim time and just done 1, 2, 3, and 4 there'd have been no crash.
It's not just a tone, it's apparently a fact, he wrote a phugging thesis on it.
It has been tested in practice too.
by Gabriel
Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:02 am
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

Quadruple post :x :x :x
by Gabriel
Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:01 am
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

Triple post :x
by Gabriel
Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:00 am
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

Double post
by Gabriel
Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:59 am
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

I think you're missing the point. I was talking more about how I'm supposed to not phug up the phugoid when: 1. I have no functioning control surfaces; 2. I am down an engine, and the ONLY control I have are the remaining engines, thanks be to Quetzalcoatl they're underslung. Well, actually a good ...
by Gabriel
Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:37 am
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

On the contrary. I agree that it is super unlikely that you will ever need it, but if a large aircraft experiences enough failures to where the phugoid is much of a factor, managing it is probably going to be key to the outcome, as it was in UA at Sioux City and DHL at Baghdad. I thought you said S...
by Gabriel
Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:29 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

Well, I could have just told you and Gabby to go phug yourselves, but that would be too easy. I guess what I'm wondering is what you (plural, of course) expect me to do about this phugoid. If a large aircraft experiences enough failures to where the phugoid is much of a factor, it's probably going ...
by Gabriel
Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:12 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering
Replies: 61
Views: 428

Re: FAO Messi of Aeroengineering

What 3WE said.

I can call it long-period longitudinal oscillatory mode of motion, if you prefer.
by Gabriel
Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:34 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Convair C-131 crash in Pretoria
Replies: 4
Views: 114

Re: Convair C-131 crash in Pretoria

How about better grounding all Convairs and putting the airline in our no-fly list?
Which airline?
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The plane was painted in the colors of, but not operated by, Martin's Air Charter.
My post was never serious to begin with.
by Gabriel
Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:56 am
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Convair C-131 crash in Pretoria
Replies: 4
Views: 114

Re: Convair C-131 crash in Pretoria

How about better grounding all Convairs and putting the airline in our no-fly list?
by Gabriel
Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:49 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: Not-so-textbook CRM and procedures...
Replies: 4
Views: 80

Re: Not-so-textbook CRM and procedures...

Everybody join me in a rousing chorus of "America the Beautiful!"
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