A ~4-minute incident gets blown up into a ~90-minute Hollywood movie.

Maybe I'll just go hang out at an airport fence instead...maybe even take a camera.

I've always said that old people should be processed into Soylent Green.

I know this movie. I recall that cowboys decide to ignore procedures.

I'm not sure that's all that much new information...just new data that aligns with old data.

How do you like this one?

Nahhh, there's something special about that purple.

Not_Karl, Concur on the Braniff liveries of old.

... ... I guess I should check in over there... How many posts has Evanie made pontificating about potential mechanisms to cause such a fire, and procedures to address it? Have we spouted any good $20 jargon terms, or made derogatory comments about the pilots actions or the aircraft maintenance? Of...

I am spending the week with three of your fellow countrymen

Oh, I'm truly sorry. My deepest sympathies go to you.

Fernando lives in the city of Good Air.

Should I be worried that I find this livery attractive ? I'm all about the middle-ground-gray-area as opposed to black and white thinking... We should be free to like and dislike liveries ... ...as long as that does not dominate our participation in aviation fora. I remember my WOW Airlines flight ...

Should I be worried that I find this livery attractive ? I'm all about the middle-ground-gray-area as opposed to black and white thinking... We should be free to like and dislike liveries... ...as long as that does not dominate our participation in aviation fora. I remember my WOW airlines Flight r...

Heat damage to the wing box may mean the whole wing gets scrapped. Airplane likely to be written off.

Awfully speculative there...

...NOT

Very impressive fire and photos and glad that everyone seems to be OK. ...and to arm-chair it a bit, should we be doing a better job at getting the water/foam on the fire sooner???...One truck seemed to sit far back, with no water and then very painfully slowly approach the fire once it started spra...

I am spending the week with three of your fellow countrymen and have some items to report: 1) Your country also has ISGP est M anagers OTM who wish to poison innocent plants, insects and fungi in spite of outside advice from wanna-be agronomists. Given your concerns , perhaps they will listen to you...

That is indeed an option.

I just think you have a bit more of the inside track, as well as the ability to see "both sides" of the issue.... ...as well as newer sources...

Anybody know how many minute ETOPS they are operating at?

Yes.

@#%@#!-totally-literal-asshat...

Flyboy, please tell us how many minutes of ETOPS that 757's are operating at these days.

Thanks in advance...and apologies; because, like the autobrake business, ...we...are curious.

...his point wasn't so much the spin issue, but, rather, that Cirri were sold as transportation airplanes to pilots not really prepared for transportation flying ...many (if not most) of his target audience probably lacked the skills and proficiency to operate these "personal airliners" s...

Hmm... is the old "I have the aircraft" / "your aircraft" routine no longer in fashion?

It is. We say "I have control/you have control" which is close enough.

Unfortunately, traditional cowboy idiocy is all too common...

...Listened to ATC comms with the pilot. The whole time she sounds totally calm and unmoved by the situation, while the controllers sound a little sloppy. I don't know if there was some training going on at the tower as well, I heard at least three separate controllers. One easy trap to fall into i...

...And if pulling the chute is the way to recover from a pin in the Cirrus and the pilots are trained to do it... Why don't they do it?... Because (Based on known instances of Cirrus chute deployment): -You probably just kissed your $250,000 airplane good bye. -You have a pretty good chance of gett...

...It is not easy to test. Spin must be tested power on, power off, flaps up, flaps down, forward CG, aft CG, minimum weight, max weight, high inertia (wing tanks full), low inertia (wing tanks minimum fuel), starting wings level, starting in a left bank, starting in a right bank, starting with pro...

...and all the dissection aside, the question really isn't THAT the plane spun in, but why (how) would someone spin a perfectly good plane in severe daytime VMC...(although that question may have some similarities as to why someone would stall a perfectly good plane for 36,000 feet in night IMC).

...it doesn't meet the traditional spin recovery requirements because it was not tested [& additional nuances]... Noted . Now, given that it's pretty easy to test , I'm going to parlour-ass-ume that (just like the one-autopilot go-around), there may be something more to the story than your blac...

...Please explain the "struggles to recover" part... 1. I read this on some obscure aviation fora many times , so it must be true. Or maybe not...that's the trouble with ass-hat parlour talk and www.internet.com 2. A certain forumite with a username similar to En La Sombra stated many tim...

The actual crash. Spin, no doubt. http://www.infobae.com/america/eeuu/2016/06/11/video-la-impactante-caida-de-un-avion-sobre-un-auto/ By the way, it was a Cirrus, which struggles to recover from a spin , equipped with whole-frame parachute, and (reportedly) it fell from quite high. So either the pi...

Probably should mention that supposedly there were botched 3 landing attempts... potentially some incapacitation / CO?

...a number of 'angles' on this one. https://www.yahoo.com/news/three-dead-crash-plane-uses-125338939.html Eyewitness reports 'stall like final dive' from a higher altitude. ATC reports the pilot was struggling to ID the correct runway at Hobby. ATC also told them to go around (not really their job...

I cannot believe that this photo was rejected by you expletive screeners. It’s a unique spotting location and a unique plane and who cares if I got the plane type wrong (looks like a 707 to me). I can’t see any dust spots and disagree with the over/under exposure complaints as well as the sharpening...