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by 3WE
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:11 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: 737 Max troubles;:The latest news...
Replies: 10
Views: 213

FAO: Gabiee...your recent comment [i]there[/i]

Do we have pilots being really stupid? OR Do we have a stupid design? OR Is it some totally fuzzy gray mixture? OR Is there some strong truths ALONG with the fuzzy gray? OR Some light truths and some strong truths among the fuzzy gray? Can I tick more than one option, like, all of them? You need to...
by 3WE
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:47 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: 737 Max troubles;:The latest news...
Replies: 10
Views: 213

Re: 737 Max troubles;:The latest news...

Stealing directly from there , but Bobbie's buddy implies that the MCAS system was "installed" with no notification... I can't believe there was ZERO notification...UAS happens...stuff breaks and the wire from the airspeed to the noseover logic unit ought to be listed somewhere...but, could it reall...
by 3WE
Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:20 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: What should [i]we[/i] do about social/political safety stuff?
Replies: 3
Views: 79

What should [i]we[/i] do about social/political safety stuff?

Inspired by there , here's a break off thread about stuff that is not_ directly related to the 737-Mini-Lav. Here, ex NTSB chairperson James Hall says the FAA gives too much power to airlines and manufacturers. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/opinion/boeing-737-grounded.html It's extremely likely...
by 3WE
Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:07 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: F.A.O.:Gabiee- Re: What's the trim doing now?
Replies: 15
Views: 201

Re: F.A.O.:Gabiee- Re: What's the trim doing now?

***more than enough time***
Lazy question: Anyone know how fast this MCAS thingie puts in nose-down trim?...I always thought that trim progressed kind of slow and gentle...But maybe if you need to fight stall that has nose up tendencies :shock: , maybe it needs to kick in faster?
by 3WE
Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:04 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: 737 Max troubles;:The latest news...
Replies: 10
Views: 213

Re: 737 Max troubles;:The latest news...

Most interesting times... You hint that the USA was self-serving in being the last to ground the 737-MiniLav... While another group gripes that the grounding was uncalled for and based only on hysteria. Do we have pilots being really stupid? OR Do we have a stupid design? OR Is it some totally fuzzy...
by 3WE
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:20 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: F.A.O.:Gabiee- Re: What's the trim doing now?
Replies: 15
Views: 201

Re: F.A.O.:Gabiee- Re: What's the trim doing now?

<r><QUOTE author="Gabriel" post_id="72885" time="1552504757" user_id="135"><s>[quote=Gabriel post_id=72885 time=1552504757 user_id=135]</s>Finally, for the reasons explained above, your "relentless distances" assessment regarding the 150 doesn't make much sense. If you keep the elevator fixed agains...
by 3WE
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:21 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Ethiopian 737
Replies: 49
Views: 579

Re: Ethiopian 737

Will there be an associated effort to address the lavatory sinks before the death and bathroom trap is returned to service?
by 3WE
Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:37 pm
Forum: Aviation Discussion Forum
Topic: F.A.O.:Gabiee- Re: What's the trim doing now?
Replies: 15
Views: 201

F.A.O.:Gabiee- Re: What's the trim doing now?

Late in my 172 training... Lift off...Instructor reaches down...cranks trim wheel full nose up... 3BS pushes (the damn trim tab can generate some fairly amazing forces)- nose stays on the horizon, speed at 80 MPH, climb at ~800 FPM. Then instructor reverses and proceeds to crank it full nose down. 3...
by 3WE
Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:59 pm
Forum: Off Topic Forum
Topic: F.A.O.: 3WE
Replies: 663
Views: 47039

Photography Tomfoolery Archive Reference

Context: Bitch fest, there over MCAS and automation vs. humans and redundancy. Date: On and about 3/13/2019 Originally Posted by HalcyonDasiee: I think I’d agree for once that the recorders should not be sent to the NTSB, if only to ensure the strictest impartiality. While I give the FAA some credit...
by 3WE
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:53 pm
Forum: Off Topic Forum
Topic: F.A.O.: Tony
Replies: 23
Views: 185

Re: F.A.O.: Tony

What would the cars have to do to pass that observer at a rate of 3 cars per second at the same spacing?? The trouble with your analogy is that they basically don't speed up and maintain spacing... Instead they merge into much smaller spacing... If you wanna make your exercise work, it needs to be ...
by 3WE
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:46 pm
Forum: Off Topic Forum
Topic: F.A.O.: Tony
Replies: 23
Views: 185

Re: F.A.O.: Tony

brains are wired...or... Chris: Please do not feel compelled to teach me this- I am not_Evan and my brain actually enjoys the gray areas... Lift pretty much REQUIRES that air be accelerated downward. Now whether it's simply a flat, barn-door vane shoving air down, or a sophisticated airfoil shape w...
by 3WE
Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:13 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Atlas 767, Houston
Replies: 69
Views: 944

Re: Atlas 767, Houston

***The part in bold above has been reworded on the NTSB site*** I'm sorry, the NTSB botching their "press releases" has taken me back to when they confirmed that the Asiana pilots were named Hui Thieu Lo, Ho Leigh Phouc and Sum Ting Wong... As much as I bash PR word mincing, there is a certain amou...
by 3WE
Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:05 pm
Forum: Off Topic Forum
Topic: F.A.O.: Tony
Replies: 23
Views: 185

Re: F.A.O.: Tony

https://youtu.be/03ZHtp3ezis Not the best example I could find but watch the section in the middle where they use pulses of smoke in slow mo. I'll let you absorb that and then try explain to me what you think you are seeing and how that creates lift. There's a small part of me that thinks I'm suppo...
by 3WE
Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:58 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Atlas 767, Houston
Replies: 69
Views: 944

Re: Atlas 767, Houston

"the elevators deflected, but we're not_saying what the control column did" Wow, that's an important distinction. YIKES...so which one was it??? (I am THINKING the FDR captures both- and I'm thinking that the NTSB would know both by now PLUS the CVR). I know, chill out...it's just protocol...wait f...
by 3WE
Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:53 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Atlas 767, Houston
Replies: 69
Views: 944

Re: Atlas 767, Houston

Bu the way...

There are indications of a "pull up"...

However, let's not forget Phugoid behavior as another contributing mechanism.
by 3WE
Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:48 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Atlas 767, Houston
Replies: 69
Views: 944

Re: Atlas 767, Houston

I would add to this that the paraphrasing of the CVR seems deliberately intended to be extra vague. A. "Conversations consistent with a loss of control" as opposed to B. "No indications of malicious activities" They said A. I speculate that IF B were true there'd be no reason not_to say B and that t...
by 3WE
Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:44 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Ethiopian 737
Replies: 49
Views: 579

Re: Ethiopian 737

My head hurts.
Go fly a highly automated cracker box. Perhaps they have achieved the wonderful dumbing down of airmanship.

Maybe we have made enough progress that you guys have finally learned that pulling up relentlessly can sometimes result in a stall.
by 3WE
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:35 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Ethiopian 737
Replies: 49
Views: 579

Re: Ethiopian 737

[Two posts up Chris goes philosophical on cost:benefit:unforseen negative effects] I think it's much more simpler than that. We know we COULD try to equip each seat with a hellaciously fancy, heavy, airbag-and-parachute-equipped ejector system...but yeah, prohibitively expensive AND has it's own li...
by 3WE
Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:20 pm
Forum: Off Topic Forum
Topic: F.A.O.: Tony
Replies: 23
Views: 185

Re: F.A.O.: Tony

[Flap photograph two posts up]
That flap section appears to be curved on top and flat on the bottom.

Why?

[Peter, Paul and Mary on YouTube]
by 3WE
Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:55 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Ethiopian 737
Replies: 49
Views: 579

Re: Ethiopian 737

Evan can use his arsenal of weapons to make his own political party AFAIC. Too entrenched in his own thinking to have enlightened discussions with. (is that trolly enough HB?) As much as the guy bugs me, if the aeroplanie incessantly noses over because one not_mega reliable sensor thingie says immi...
by 3WE
Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Ethiopian 737
Replies: 49
Views: 579

Re: Ethiopian 737

Evan can use his arsenal of weapons to make his own political party AFAIC. Too entrenched in his own thinking to have enlightened discussions with.

(is that trolly enough HB?)
:lol:

I believe he leads a sheltered lift.
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by 3WE
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:44 am
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Ethiopian 737
Replies: 49
Views: 579

Re: Ethiopian 737

Someone has reported airspeed indication problems and speculation that maybe this IS something of a Lion Air repeat.

Not sure if Boeing is doomed, but Evan will be greatly emboldened.

And are Gabieee and 3BSie naïve in suggestion of known robust power and attitude 'settings'?
by 3WE
Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:44 pm
Forum: Off Topic Forum
Topic: F.A.O.: Tony
Replies: 23
Views: 185

F.A.O.: Tony

Chris Foss: Hey 3WE, Yes its me! From the old days of ITS, Amy, Ancient Mariner and David H. A quick CV to refresh the noodle in order to reference my comments: Studied Aero Eng at Kingston Uni 300hrs PPL on 9 types 10 years flight dispatch at LHR Senior dispatcher/instructor for SQ, IB, BI, 9V, OS...
by 3WE
Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:08 pm
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Ethiopian 737
Replies: 49
Views: 579

FAO: Chriss Foss

As an aside, just wondering who Evanie is. We all wonder that. He is a screen name there that has certain traits that upset 3WE, but other than that.... WOW....Tony...what a blast from the past! Hope you participate more. Evan is actually a member here too- and yeah, black and white thinking, conti...
by 3WE
Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:43 am
Forum: Aviation Safety Discussion Forum
Topic: Laser DC-3 in Colombia
Replies: 10
Views: 143

Re: Laser DC-3 in Colombia

Airplane too old and death toll too few and too far away to garner media attention- Sad truth.

Let us know when the final report is issued- there are probably some swiss cheese layer aspects to this- or poorly-trained pilots + poorly-maintained aeroplanie in a poorly-regulated environment.

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