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Re: Cowboy Train Engineers

Postby 3WE » Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:34 pm

initiate a retraining effort with a spiffy, impactful name!
I suggest "Go slower and live".
One of the maddest I ever got with Evan was that in 197? something when the US enacted the 55 MPH speed limit, our highway deaths dropped markedly...but he was totally insistent that the two were not linked.

I get it that there may not be 5000% direct absolute PROVEN cause and effect linkage, but the link seems a hell of lot stronger than global warming...

Footnote: On the one hand, I think we are killing many multiples more people with 'total train disasters' (vs. air disasters), but conversely, it's also amazing how we crash a trainload of several hundred people at 80 to 100 MPH, but kill so few (I think 3 in this case).
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Re: Railroad Thread

Postby J » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:21 pm

Happily the early-morning train was not very full of passengers. Here is some recent news coverage including a view of the brand new locomotive that flew down the embankment. The locomotive appearing in much of the news coverage was located at the rear of the train. The cars used on this train are of lighter construction than standard equipment and so require a locomotive at each end to protect in the event of a crossing accident with a large vehicle.
While this must have been quite a ride for the crew and passengers I suspect some of the vehicle drivers weren't planning for a train to suddenly fall onto the roadway in front of them.


https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... picks=true

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Re: Railroad Thread

Postby Not_Karl » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:37 am

Maybe we should install automatic speed control in all trainies and subject motormen to physical punishment.
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Re: Railroad Thread

Postby 3WE » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:58 pm

Maybe we should install automatic speed control in all trainies and subject motormen to physical punishment.
I hate to sound like Evan, but yeah, how many folks do we have to kill before investing in some I-phone apps to track train speeds and sharp curves and signals (and check takeoff performance)

...AND...

...as Gabbie said a long time ago...the system where the human is still the primary operator, but the automation is double checking stuff.

Regarding Evan's comment there that Cowboy Train Engineers are texting hot women, how does he know they are doing that and NOT reading aviation safety discussion forums on their smart phones?
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Re: Railroad Thread

Postby Not_Karl » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:39 pm

I hate to sound like Evan, but yeah, how many folks do we have to kill before investing in some I-phone apps to track train speeds and sharp curves and signals (and check takeoff performance)
So Evanie, Threewee and Not_Karlie CONCUR. Should we celebrate or worry?
Regarding Evan's comment there that Cowboy Train Engineers are texting hot women, how does he know they are doing that and NOT reading aviation safety discussion forums on their smart phones?
I remember a crash where the engineer was texting a trainie enthusiast. I hope that nobody here or there texts pilots while in critical phases of the flight :roll: (such as standing on an active taxiway).
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BAN ALL TRAINS!!!!!

Postby 3WE » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:52 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-caroli ... 45912.html

However, they are safer than private aircraft...

What little I know of train operations is that there are more than enough rules and procedures put Evan in heaven...but the human factors and Swiss cheese still align.
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Re: BAN ALL TRAINS!!!!!

Postby Not_Karl » Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:45 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-caroli ... 45912.html

However, they are safer than private aircraft...

What little I know of train operations is that there are more than enough rules and procedures put Evan in heaven...but the human factors and Swiss cheese still align.
Install TCAS on all trainies?
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Re: BAN ALL TRAINS!!!!!

Postby elaw » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:25 pm

Install TCAS on all trainies?
Train crash avoidance system? :lol:

Kidding aside, I think the fact we've been implmenting PTC for decades now and it's still not done shows how much the railroads and our country care about this... :x
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Re: BAN ALL TRAINS!!!!!

Postby 3WE » Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:30 pm

Install TCAS on all trainies?
Train crash avoidance system? :lol:

Kidding aside, I think the fact we've been implmenting PTC for decades now and it's still not done shows how much the railroads and our country care about this... :x
3BS is trying to be mostly serious...Aside from some outstanding 'subways' and shuttles between closely-situated megalopoli, Rail travel is a near total disaster of a business model...

"For the same price as Flyboy and Dummy, we can get you there much more slowly"...(sure the seat pitch beats the hell out of airlines, and the scenery is generally better on cloudy days, and you don't have to worry about takeoff flap configurations, nor relentless pull ups...just that someone has the switch set right and the driver isn't confused about the speed limit, and trust that they do the proper brake-test procedure during the crew change)

AND THEN, the whole thing operates in the red, with significant government subsidies...that are shrinking regardless of whether Savior Barak or Savior Donald are in charge...so when you need new engines and new cars and union crews and faster tracks and rent from a private RR while you mess up their 30 MPH freight trains...the electronic wizardry lags behind a bit.

Plus, even with PTC, I think more crashes are idiot cowboy car and truck drivers at grade crossings...Yeah, there's plenty of $ to convert all grade crossings to some sort of bridge...
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Re: Railroad Thread

Postby J » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:26 am

Positive Train Control is mandated by Congress to be installed on all passenger routes and certain other routes handling above a certain volume of hazardous materials. I read the signal system (which would have warned the passenger train that a switch ahead (appears to have been misaligned) was out of service to install or test PTC. If true, talk about ironing.

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Re: Railroad Thread

Postby 3WE » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:44 am

...the signal system...was out of service to install or test PTC.

If true, talk about ironing.
Wow :-(
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Re: Railroad Thread

Postby ocelot » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:25 am

Wait, how can they legally operate without signals?

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Re: Railroad Thread

Postby J » Fri May 11, 2018 12:47 pm

Here is additional coverage of the restoration of the Union Pacific 4-8-8-4 Big Boy 4014.


May 10 announcement of its participation in the 150th anniversary of the Golden Spike Ceremony commemorating the completion of the first transcontinental railroad. http://www.kgwn.tv/content/news/Big-Boy ... 06071.html

Short Videos of Boiler Restoration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdScWfMg4mg and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWcs1aNCzVY

Short Video on Rebuilding Front Engine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkbGoSKVumI

Video of another steam locomotive managed by the same company
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whcHZntoduE

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Re: Railroad Thread

Postby 3WE » Fri May 11, 2018 5:07 pm

Steam is most beautiful and massive.

However, I also get the feeling it is HHHHUUUUGGGGEEEELLLLYYYY inefficient.
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Re: Railroad Thread

Postby J » Fri May 11, 2018 8:57 pm

Steam is most beautiful and massive.

However, I also get the feeling it is HHHHUUUUGGGGEEEELLLLYYYY inefficient.
It is indeed but who's counting.
I can't remember if I posted this before but here is a smaller lococomotive climbing a hill in Wyoming with a freight train back in 1991. The light gray exhaust at the top of the climb shows when the fireman is doing his job. This locomotive is in the same shop as Big Boy awaiting some heavy maintenance.

If you don't feel like waiting until the end I'll note that there is no diesel helper on this train.
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Re: Railroad Thread

Postby Ancient Mariner » Sat May 12, 2018 10:35 pm

Steam is most beautiful and massive.

However, I also get the feeling it is HHHHUUUUGGGGEEEELLLLYYYY inefficient.
But is nice and quiet, we could talk normally in the engine room while the triple compound engine was running at max.
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