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Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby PurduePilot » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:29 am

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The Costa Concordia hit a sandbar on Friday evening near the island of Giglio and listed about 20 degrees, after which people tried to reach land in lifeboats or by swimming.

Rescue teams are going from cabin to cabin, searching for survivors.

Italians, Germans, French and British were among the 3,200 passengers. There were also 1,000 crew on board.
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We were very scared and freezing because it happened while we were at dinner so everyone was in evening wear”

Mara Parmigiani Passenger

Helicopters evacuated the last 50 people on the deck who were in a "worsening" situation.

Some media reports said eight people had died.

The Costa Concordia had sailed earlier on Friday from Civitavecchia port near Rome for a Mediterranean cruise, due to dock in Marseille after calling at ports in Sicily, Sardinia and Spain.

One thousand passengers were Italian, with 500 Germans and 160 French.

A few dozen British passengers are believed to have been on board, said the UK Foreign Office, which is sending a team to the scene.

'Groaning noise'

Passengers were eating dinner on Friday evening, when they heard a loud bang, and were told that the ship had suffered electrical problems, one passenger told Italy's Ansa news agency.

Cabin steward Deodato Ordona says the ship suddenly began to tlt.

"We were having supper when the lights suddenly went out, we heard a boom and a groaning noise, and all the cutlery fell on the floor," said Luciano Castro.

Passenger Mara Parmegiani told Italian media there were "scenes of panic".

"We were very scared and freezing because it happened while we were at dinner so everyone was in evening wear. We definitely didn't have time to get anything else. They gave us blankets but there weren't enough," she said.

The 290-metre (950 ft) vessel ran aground, starting taking in water and listing by 20 degrees, the local coast guard said.

Orders were given to abandon ship, Deodato Ordona, a cabin steward on the Costa Concordia, told the BBC.

"We announced a general emergency and took passengers to muster stations," he said.

"But it is hard to launch the lifeboats, so they moved to the right side of the ship, and they could launch."

Elderly passengers were crying, said Mr Ordona, adding that he and some others jumped into the sea and swam roughly 400 metres to reach land.
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Rescued passengers are being accommodated in hotels, schools and a church on Giglio, a resort island 25km (18 miles) off Italy's western coast.

Searches are still going on for "possible missing people", regional official Giuseppe Linardi told the Italian broadcaster RAI.

Coast guard official Francesco Paolillo, a local coast guard official, told the AFP news agency there was a a 30m hole in the ship but that it was too early to say what exactly had happened.

"We think this happened as a result of sailing too close to an obstacle like a reef," he said.

Costa Crociera, the company which owns the ship, said it could not yet say what had caused the accident.

"The gradual listing of the ship made the evacuation extremely difficult," a statement said. "The position of the ship, which is worsening, is making more difficult the last part of the evacuation.

"We'd like to express our deepest gratitude to the coastguard and other emergency services, including the authorities and citizens of the island of Giglio, who did their best in saving and helping the passengers and crew."

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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby Sickbag » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:37 am

Italian ship + Italian crew + Italian waters = Disaster.


Maybe they were trying to follow the Euro?
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby J » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:03 pm

Three Confirmed Dead

Link includes later photographs showing ship at almost 90 degrees and gash in hull
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby ZeroAltitude » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:49 pm

I didn't know there were icebergs in the Mediterranean
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby schmusimausi73 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:34 pm

It's a metaphor for the EURO.

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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby ZeroAltitude » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:41 am

It's a metaphor for the EURO.
You think it will capsize? Don't tell Juncker, then.
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby Sickbag » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:55 am

The metaphor to the state of economy is very apt.
I'll tell you what I think the problem is with these boats and you don't have to be a marine architect or an economist to realise it:
The part that makes the most money in the ship is the white bit that sits above the water, the part that doesn't make money is the red bit that sits under the water. When they built this boat they wanted to make as much money as possible so they made the white bit as big as they could, they tried to save money so they they made the red bit as small as they thought they could get away with.All was well until there was a problem, then the weight of the white part pulled the whole ship over, you see the red part is necessary to make the ship safe and stable in difficult situations. Even a hundred years ago when the Titanic sunk it sunk relatively level until the final moments, that's because the red bit was bigger and deeper and kept the whole ship stable.
Same is true of the economy, if you build it on nothing it falls over.
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby ZeroAltitude » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:42 pm

Brill-yunt!
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby GlennAB1 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:35 pm

Someone needs to go to jail for the state of the economy then!!!
you still have to find a crew willing to fly this "barely airworthy" heap
no such thing as "barely airworthy" it's either Airworthy or Not
100% incorrect Ever hear of Ferry Permit? issued for Non airworthy aircraft
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby Sabre » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:55 pm

The metaphor to the state of economy is very apt.
I'll tell you what I think the problem is with these boats and you don't have to be a marine architect or an economist to realise it:
The part that makes the most money in the ship is the white bit that sits above the water, the part that doesn't make money is the red bit that sits under the water. When they built this boat they wanted to make as much money as possible so they made the white bit as big as they could, they tried to save money so they they made the red bit as small as they thought they could get away with.All was well until there was a problem, then the weight of the white part pulled the whole ship over, you see the red part is necessary to make the ship safe and stable in difficult situations. Even a hundred years ago when the Titanic sunk it sunk relatively level until the final moments, that's because the red bit was bigger and deeper and kept the whole ship stable.
Same is true of the economy, if you build it on nothing it falls over.

Yeah, but the red bit is what hit the rocks. Maybe if they made the red part even smaller they'd still be cruising the Med.

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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby Ancient Mariner » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:13 pm

The part that makes the most money in the ship is the white bit that sits above the water, the part that doesn't make money is the red bit that sits under the water. When they built this boat they wanted to make as much money as possible so they made the white bit as big as they could, they tried to save money so they they made the red bit as small as they thought they could get away with.
Not correct, nor does it matter. The problem here was the moving white bits on the bridge, also known as Italian officers, almost on par with their Greek brethren. One is not impressed by eithers performance.
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby J » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:46 pm

Here's an interesting observation"

Passenger Benji Smith on Saturday recounted making his own rope ladder to save himself and his wife.

"It was the Marx brothers, watching these guys trying to figure out how to work the boat," he said. "I felt like the disaster itself was manageable, but I felt like the crew was going to kill us."

After helping passengers, some said, crew members jumped overboard and swam ashore.

Smith said even the safety presentation was more of a "sales pitch" for shore excursions.

Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/15/world ... ?hpt=hp_c1


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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby Sickbag » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:08 pm


Not correct, nor does it matter.
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You're don't think the design of the ship did not effect how it reacted after the collision?
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby Marc 1 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:01 am

I think the captain's next words will be: "Would you like fries with that?"

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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby Ancient Mariner » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:28 am


Not correct, nor does it matter.
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You're don't think the design of the ship did not effect how it reacted after the collision?
I'm quite sure it did, it would on any ship, but the stability of the ship was within the requirements of the classification society. Don't be fooled by the white bits. I sailed on a RoRo-ship which looked like a floating skyscraper, her problem was too much stability.
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

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Not correct, nor does it matter.
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You're don't think the design of the ship did not effect how it reacted after the collision?
I'm quite sure it did, it would on any ship, but the stability of the ship was within the requirements of the classification society. Don't be fooled by the white bits. I sailed on a RoRo-ship which looked like a floating skyscraper, her problem was too much stability.
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Can you explain to me what you mean by too much stability in a ship?

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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby Sickbag » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:28 am

Ships like the Costa Concordia have as shallow draught as possible to enter as many ports as possible= more money
The super structure is massive and as tall as they can get away with in order to maximise "sea view cabin" = more money.
The fact that they may fit the requirements of a classification is possibly a red herring as these ships have gotten bigger and bigger over the recent years.Have the reqs kept up?
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

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Not correct, nor does it matter.
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You don't think the design of the ship did not affect how it reacted after the collision?
...OTOH, when a ship is run aground, and you break the red part, it's not uncommon for it to settle to its side as it sinks. I.E. the design here may not have had a particularly unique effect on the reaction.
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Postby Not_Karl » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:12 pm

Can a ship sink on a conveyor belt?
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Postby ZilogMan » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:56 pm

Can a ship sink on a conveyor belt?
If the conveyor is red, definitely.
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Postby 3WE » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:00 pm

Can a ship sink on a conveyor belt?
...don't you mean float on a conveyor belt?
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You're don't think the design of the ship did not effect how it reacted after the collision?
I'm quite sure it did, it would on any ship, but the stability of the ship was within the requirements of the classification society. Don't be fooled by the white bits. I sailed on a RoRo-ship which looked like a floating skyscraper, her problem was too much stability.
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Can you explain to me what you mean by too much stability in a ship?
In simple terms. If a ship us too stable too much of the weight is at the bottom, i.e. the center of gravity is too low and the the roll period (time for extreme starbord to port or vice versa) is too quick. Makes for a rather safe, but extremely umcomfortable ship. We had people braking arms and legs in the shower, we also lost a lot of cargo overboard as the lashings could not withstand the G-forces. Less stable, slower and more comfortable. (And slightly less safe ;) )
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby Ancient Mariner » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:05 pm

Ships like the Costa Concordia have as shallow draught as possible to enter as many ports as possible= more money
The super structure is massive and as tall as they can get away with in order to maximise "sea view cabin" = more money.
The fact that they may fit the requirements of a classification is possibly a red herring as these ships have gotten bigger and bigger over the recent years.Have the reqs kept up?
The super structure is not massive, it is hollow and compared to heavy bits at the bottom rather lightweight. You're fooled by visuals.
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby schmusimausi73 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:24 pm

You're fooled by visuals.
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Re: Italian cruise ship runs aground

Postby OldSowBreath » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:14 pm

To continue the analogy, the ship is like a showgirl. Large superstructure, smaller hips and legs. Throw in alcohol (i.e. Italian crew) and you have a very tipsy showgirl.


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