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Whilst human pilots are invariably witnessed heroically guiding their doomed aircraft away from potential victims on the ground, one Canada goose has heroically achieved the opposite. Revenge for Sullenberger's infamy?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42934461
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42934461
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I get all my aviation news from The Onion.
American Airlines Announces It Will No Longer Try To Match Seatmates By Interests
FORT WORTH, TX—Explaining that only a small percentage of passengers ever hit it off to the point that they carry on a conversation for the duration of their flight, American Airlines announced Monday it will no longer attempt to match seatmates by their personal interests. “For years, American Airlines has committed itself to pairing up travelers with similar backgrounds, careers, and hobbies in the hopes they would take pleasure in each other’s company while en route to their destination, but the time has come to phase out this service,” said CEO Doug Parker, noting that the company could no longer justify the long hours that thousands of employees were dedicating day after day to making sure every customer was seated next to someone with whom they would enjoy a friendly exchange. “We initially expected lively conversation and laughter to fill our cabins, with an occasional passenger or two perhaps even striking up a friendship that would endure long after the plane had landed. With few exceptions, however, we’ve found that the vast majority of people just want to put on their headphones or take a nap.” Parker went on to stress that American Airlines would never suspend its extremely successful program of making the suitcases of romantically compatible passengers roll out next to each other on baggage carousels.
https://www.theonion.com/american-airli ... 1822727916
American Airlines Announces It Will No Longer Try To Match Seatmates By Interests
FORT WORTH, TX—Explaining that only a small percentage of passengers ever hit it off to the point that they carry on a conversation for the duration of their flight, American Airlines announced Monday it will no longer attempt to match seatmates by their personal interests. “For years, American Airlines has committed itself to pairing up travelers with similar backgrounds, careers, and hobbies in the hopes they would take pleasure in each other’s company while en route to their destination, but the time has come to phase out this service,” said CEO Doug Parker, noting that the company could no longer justify the long hours that thousands of employees were dedicating day after day to making sure every customer was seated next to someone with whom they would enjoy a friendly exchange. “We initially expected lively conversation and laughter to fill our cabins, with an occasional passenger or two perhaps even striking up a friendship that would endure long after the plane had landed. With few exceptions, however, we’ve found that the vast majority of people just want to put on their headphones or take a nap.” Parker went on to stress that American Airlines would never suspend its extremely successful program of making the suitcases of romantically compatible passengers roll out next to each other on baggage carousels.
https://www.theonion.com/american-airli ... 1822727916
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Do geese allow comfort humans onboard?
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"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.
"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.
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Only if they're housebroken.
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So, Gabriel, what’s with the V formation anyway?
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Flying in the wake turbulence of the next goose up reduces fuel burn.
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Indeed, but why not a straight line? (and trust goose#1 to do the navigation)Flying in the wake turbulence of the next goose up reduces fuel burn.
The offset means that one wing is still encountering undisturbed air.
You'd think a slight vertical stagger would be better.
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Are you Not_Gabriel?Flying in the wake turbulence of the next goose up reduces fuel burn.
A [ b]brief[/b] answer was not_the intent
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Is the wake turbulence of a goose a danger for smaller birds?
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"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.
"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.
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Yes but since they don't have rudders, not *that* much of a danger.
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I have seen tailfeather reversals many times...sure it's better to pause at neutral, but you know how they are about reading the procedure handbook...Yes but since they don't have rudders, not *that* much of a danger.
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Rabbi:Rabieeee:ocelotieee:
Flying in the wake turbulence of the next goose up reduces fuel burn.
Indeed, but why not a straight line? (and trust goose#1 to do the navigation)
The offset means that one wing is still encountering undisturbed air.
You'd think a slight vertical stagger would be better.
Your Avatar shows beautiful wingtip vortexes...
I am just a dumb agriculturalist, but those vortexes go down towards the center and up towards the outside...
I always ASSumed, the trailing goose ROUGHLY centered over the upward spinning part of the wingtip vortex...free updraft lift...less flapping needed.
Now, for the tough question, can the trailing goose actually 'suck energy away from' the leading goose' or is he just freeloading on unavoidable waste energy? (and how does the presence of a treadmill affect this)?
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OK. I'll pretend you're serious....I always ASSumed, the trailing goose ROUGHLY centered over the upward spinning part of the wingtip vortex...free updraft lift...less flapping needed.
Your scenario would require the vortex spiral diameter to be greater than half the wingspan of a goose (~ 1.5 m), otherwise goose #2 will catch both the up and down airflows.......
Aircraft wing tips seem to generate vortices with a diameter which is initially considerably less than half span. (diameter gets bigger further back)
Some nice vortices in this Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFXtkxWGY4U
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I'm aware that my scenario may be flawed...even grossly flawed...OK. I'll pretend you're serious....
Your scenario blah blah blah...
But, what I do not_see is YOUR explanation...
You want them to fly dead in the "downwash", if I read you right, and then pick at my crazy ass theory.
OK, to pick, but then what's the alternative?
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I must admit that tip vortices had not crossed my mind, and I still suspect that their effect is negligible at this speed, Reynolds number and whatever else, but I haven't found an equation to prove it. (Gabriel?)
You want them to fly dead in the "downwash", if I read you right, and then pick at my crazy ass theory.
I imagined that "slipstreaming" - like cyclists, F1 cars etc was the overiding effect.
The preceding vehicle drags air forward, so the following vehicle has less headwind.
Now that I have written that, the flaw in my thinking becomes evident..........
Cars, bicycles, trains etc all drag air forward because they are propelled by "pushing" on the ground.
Geese are propelled forward by "pushing" on the air, so conservation of momentum dictates that , overall, their slipstream is moving backwards.
A following goose should suffer an increased headwind.
So there must be another effect.
Maybe you're right......
What does the great god google have to say on the matter?
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(2 mins later)
It says you're right
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_formation
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Wow!
From the Wikipedia article:
From the Wikipedia article:
I would have thought this would add a few percent at most... 71% is amazing.According to a 1970 paper, in a V formation of 25 members, each bird can achieve a reduction of induced drag and as a result increase their range by 71%
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ROFLMAO......Maybe you're right......
...What does the great god google have to say on the matter?...
...(2 mins later) It says you're right...
AGREEING with Google/Wiki means NOTHING about being right.
All I know is I ask myself how in the hell can that crazy formation might help the trailing goose...well maybe this is what happens...
Just a guess...I do try to figure out how things work...and on rare occasions...do. (Particularly rare in the Aviation arena).
To be honest, I'm not sure I believe me OR the internet...but hey...live long parlour asshatery!
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This does not bode well for those of us reading what you write on the Internet...To be honest, I'm not sure I believe me OR the internet
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Indeed.This does not bode well for those of us reading what you write on the Internet...To be honest, I'm not sure I believe me OR the internet
Especially since "the industry" depends on the important safety and customer service recommendations what we come up with!
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Are the geese ETOPS certified?
International Ban ALL Aeroplanies Association, founder and president.
"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.
"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.
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Easy To Observe Pre-Strike ?Are the geese ETOPS certified?
Eager To Obtain Pilot Status?
Evan Takes Ornithological Photo Shots?
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Educated To Optimize Pilot Stress?Are the geese ETOPS certified?
Easily Trashes Ornate Paint Schemes?
Edible Therapeutic Obnoxious Passenger Support?
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FixedEvan Takes Ornithological Perils Seriously?
International Ban ALL Aeroplanies Association, founder and president.
"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.
"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.
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Extremely Tasty Only if Prepared SkillfullyAre the geese ETOPS certified?
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