yet more examples of the true face of the US military.A secret video showing US air crew falsely claiming to have encountered a firefight in Baghdad and then laughing at the dead after launching an air strike that killed a dozen people, including two Iraqis working for Reuters news agency, was revealed by Wikileaks today.
I'm curious as to whether you or the author actually viewed the entire video. And, as to what you think the guy was doing peering out behind the building from about 4:07 until 4:19 when he pops out and appears to raise something in the direction of the Apache, and what that object may have been.But the video shows there is no shooting or even pointing of weapons.
A loaded and lethal camera?I'm curious as to whether you or the author actually viewed the entire video. And, as to what you think the guy was doing peering out behind the building from about 4:07 until 4:19 when he pops out and appears to raise something in the direction of the Apache, and what that object may have been.But the video shows there is no shooting or even pointing of weapons.
You know, Per, I've always thought you an asswipe, but this is a bit much even for your ever-drunk ass. What free-for-all? They described what they were seeing, requested permission to engage, then received it. They never said they encountered a firefight, only that they were possible hostiles.And what about the car that tried to pick up the wounded, did they aim with their loaded dicks? Or was it the lack of a red crescent that gave them the free for all.
Sorry, Sabre. I'm not impressed.
Per
Indeed it is Per, indeed it is. After all, what else would a photographer be carrying? Of course that's pretty easy to say when one is looking for a photographer, and can pause and review the video many times. In a chopper, in a combat zone*, the better part of a mile away**, I'd guess its not that easy to tell. If you were looking for a camera with a long lens, and someone a mile away pointed a RPG at you, you'd probably see a camera.A loaded and lethal camera?I'm curious as to whether you or the author actually viewed the entire video. And, as to what you think the guy was doing peering out behind the building from about 4:07 until 4:19 when he pops out and appears to raise something in the direction of the Apache, and what that object may have been.But the video shows there is no shooting or even pointing of weapons.
And what about the car that tried to pick up the wounded, did they aim with their loaded dicks? Or was it the lack of a red crescent that gave them the free for all.
Sorry, Sabre. I'm not impressed.
Per
A. Would you care to elaborate on that?Puts the US army at the same moral level as those who plant IEDs
Who would of thought it?
Not just in Iraqi but in Afghanistan too, there is a relentless regime of cover up and lies to hide the real truth of what is happening out there.A night raid carried out by US and Afghan gunmen led to the deaths of two pregnant women, a teenage girl and two local officials in an atrocity which Nato then tried to cover up, survivors have told The Times.
The operation on Friday, February 12, was a botched pre-dawn assault on a policeman’s home a few miles outside Gardez, the capital of Paktia province, eastern Afghanistan. In a statement after the raid titled “Joint force operating in Gardez makes gruesome discovery”, Nato claimed that the force had found the women’s bodies “tied up, gagged and killed” in a room.
A Times investigation suggests that Nato’s claims are either wilfully false or, at best, misleading. More than a dozen survivors, officials, police chiefs and a religious leader interviewed at and around the scene of the attack maintain that the perpetrators were US and Afghan gunmen.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/05/world ... ?ref=worldKABUL, Afghanistan — After initially denying involvement or any cover-up in the deaths of three Afghan women during a badly bungled American Special Operations assault in February, the American-led military command in Kabul admitted late on Sunday that its forces had, in fact, killed the women during the nighttime raid.
The admission immediately raised questions about what really happened during the Feb. 12 operation — and what falsehoods followed — including a new report that Special Operations forces dug bullets out of the bodies of the women to hide the true nature of their deaths.
A NATO official also said Sunday in an interview that an Afghan-led team of investigators had found signs of evidence tampering at the scene, including the removal of bullets from walls near where the women were killed.
All is well all is well, the attempted cover up of torture,renditions ,secret prisons, targeting of civilians, unlawful executions and missile strikes all just building good will and bringing American peace and freedom to the world..
Basically, they screwed up, and they lied to their NATO commanders about what happened. But there is no "relentless regime of cover up and lies" there, whatever that is supposed to mean.
BTW Can't wait for the trialThe botched raid in Afghanistan sounds like those responsible tried to cover their mistake so as not to incur the wrath of their commanders.
Apaches overhead? I thought you smart, but as Sabre indicates they were likely a mile away, so how could they feel threatened? When you shoot unarmed people trying to help the wounded, that is a free for all. Permission to engage or not.You know, Per, I've always thought you an asswipe, but this is a bit much even for your ever-drunk ass. What free-for-all? They described what they were seeing, requested permission to engage, then received it. They never said they encountered a firefight, only that they were possible hostiles.And what about the car that tried to pick up the wounded, did they aim with their loaded dicks? Or was it the lack of a red crescent that gave them the free for all.
Sorry, Sabre. I'm not impressed.
Per
I'm curious what all those people were doing walking around in the open with an Apache circling overhead, I'd be running for cover as soon as I heard those T700s overhead.
Or was the Apache pilot somehow to know he was shooting at Saheed Mahmadi (or whatever his name was), the best war photographer in Iraq's glorious history?
The video doesn't show anyone trying to "help the wounded" being shot at. The van is mentioned, but never shown, much less shown being engaged. Pesky things, facts.Apaches overhead? I thought you smart, but as Sabre indicates they were likely a mile away, so how could they feel threatened? When you shoot unarmed people trying to help the wounded, that is a free for all. Permission to engage or not.
Piss poor performance and the cover-up does not help.
Does the name calling make you feel smarter, slimmer, richer, more beautiful or is it just a confirmation of you being a complete loser? Just wondering.
Per
Then I watched another video, because I saw the van arrive, unarmed people came out and started to carry/drag the wounded person in the direction of the van. They have censorship in the USA? The helicopter then shot the crap out of the van, before the guys on foot arrived and carried the kids to safety. Pesky things those facts.The video doesn't show anyone trying to "help the wounded" being shot at. The van is mentioned, but never shown, much less shown being engaged. Pesky things, facts.Apaches overhead? I thought you smart, but as Sabre indicates they were likely a mile away, so how could they feel threatened? When you shoot unarmed people trying to help the wounded, that is a free for all. Permission to engage or not.
Piss poor performance and the cover-up does not help.
Does the name calling make you feel smarter, slimmer, richer, more beautiful or is it just a confirmation of you being a complete loser? Just wondering.
Per
An Apache a mile away is a threat. If you don't believe me, how about you stand somewhere and I'll open up at you with that gun from a mile away?
If you are the definition of a winner, I'll take the loser comment as a compliment.
They must, because the video I saw stops shortly after the mention of the van at around 8:58.
Then I watched another video, because I saw the van arrive, unarmed people came out and started to carry/drag the wounded person in the direction of the van. They have censorship in the USA? The helicopter then shot the crap out of the van, before the guys on foot arrived and carried the kids to safety. Pesky things those facts.
Will do.Carry on.
Having seen the rest of the video, I must say I would have blasted that van too. With a Hellfire.The full 17 minute video is here:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=42b_1270489420
It shows the attempted van rescue. Warning: the dialogue on the audio will cause Sicky and Per to implode.
It will commence as soon as we round up all the guilty parties and send them to a gulag.How's the criminal investigation going?
Indeed.There are so many CIA prisons to choose from.It will commence as soon as we round up all the guilty parties and send them to a gulag.How's the criminal investigation going?
I bet that those in the van who tried to save lives would be considered heroes if circumstances and nationalities had been different.War is seldom 'just' or 'right'. War is just nasty - particularly a COIN war where civillians and 'bad guys' dress alike. I don't like what I saw on that video, but some of the guys did have weapons. I don't subscribe to the idea that you have to be receiving fire before engaging the enemy - if you have a weapon in a country that is under occupation, and you are not part of the occupying forces, then you are a target. If you chose to associate with insurgents as the photographer/reporter did, then you too may be killed. The other 'fact' is that attrocities are committed by all sides in wars - the vanquished are called to account - the victors manage to escape under 'the fog of war'.
As to children being injured - what parent would drive their van with their kids in it to an area where Apache's were still circling after taking out 8 insurgents. That seems crazy to me. Maybe the bloke in the van didn't know the AH-64's were around - either way I'd be keeping my kids and family far away from doing anything risky, regardless of whether I could hear choppers or not.
There was a way to avoid these killings - not to have invaded in the first place.
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