"But I've been pulling up the whole time"

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"But I've been pulling up the whole time"

Postby 3WE » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:25 pm

Unfortunately, I am drawn in to all of "those discussions". My excuse is a bit of FOFFIEness, I do often feel uncomfortable as my airliner points way skyward and sort of feels like a 172 just before the bottom drops out. That and the delusional fantasy that "if I were flying, the plane wouldn't have crashed".

I guess my question to Flyboy is "how much of your training is to pull up"...I'm wondering if get's to be a natural instinct in some pilots and might be viewed as one of the causes in crashes such as Colgan, Air France and Air Asia.

-It seems that lot of stall procedures ended with a pull up to a healthy climb (yes including some of my 172 experience).
-During upset maneuvers, I assume some nose-up aggressiveness is needed to maintain altitude.
-If you lose an engine on an airliner, I'm thinking you actually pull up a bit to get to the best climb speed?

Knowing your desire for brevity (and disdain for outsider questioning), I'll summarize with typical 3BS questions and hope that you might give me a yes and a no. Thanks in advance.

1. Would you say that during recurrent simulator training that you pull up much more often than you push over?

2. Is there anything that can reasonably be done training-wise to address this concept that "history repeats itself"?
(Sometimes, I find myself in the Evan camp that something needs to change, but more and more, I look at the statistics of % crashes vs. the % of the time a human screws up and am reminded that "we" are doing pretty good.)
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Re: "But I've been pulling up the whole time"

Postby flyboy2548m » Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:06 pm

1. No.

2. Yes.
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Re: "But I've been pulling up the whole time"

Postby 3WE » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:29 pm

1. No.

2. Yes.
Thanks.

Until ATLCrew becomes a check/training pilot, I guess I will just have to leave it to Evan to set the industry straight and hope my luck continues.
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Re: "But I've been pulling up the whole time"

Postby flyboy2548m » Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:43 am

Well, not necessarily. There's always Greyhound...
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Re: "But I've been pulling up the whole time"

Postby 3WE » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:48 pm

Well, not necessarily. There's always Greyhound...
The seat pitch on Amtrak is awesome!
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Re: "But I've been pulling up the whole time"

Postby flyboy2548m » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:53 pm

You know, I'd actually like to ride in one of their sleeper cars.
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Re: "But I've been pulling up the whole time"

Postby ocelot » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:29 am

Unless things have changed drastically in the last ~10 years, VIA offers a much more congenial experience than Amtrak. Not to mention spiral tunnels.


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