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Pilatus crash, blizzard, SD

Postby 3WE » Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:43 pm

Sounds like a do it yourselfer who wanted a flying 12 passenger Ford Econoline.

Crashed shortly after takeoff in “blizzard like conditions”.

Several did died, but a couple of survivors.

Due to there being survivors, I will speculate that the crash basically happened on takeoff.

Then again, engine failure would fit.

Icing? Spatial disorientation with failure to activate autopilot? Less likely?

The pilot known as “a good, careful pilot”? Probably.

Get there itus? I find that concept true, but much much less clear than it used to be.

Would this crash “never happen to me” (or Gabieee or Ericee)...other than the obvious answer, who knows.

Would this crash never happened to flyboy?

I’m sure it would not, BUT because of his genius and honed airmanship, OR because he’d avoid single engine general aviation in significant weather like the plague?
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Re: Pilatus crash, blizzard, SD

Postby KPryor » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:40 am

It was a family hunting trip using the corporate plane. Last I knew, the pilot hasn't been identified but it was believed it was one of the family who was a certificated private pilot with IFR.
Metar at around the time of the crash was this: K9V9 301835Z AUTO 02006KT 1/2SM SN OVC005 01/01 A2930 RMK AO2 T00080008
Not exactly the kind of conditions I'd want to take off in, especially carrying a significant number of family members on board. I read that this airport has no hangars and no ability to de-ice and aircraft.
I'm betting spacial disorientation with a touch of ice/snow contamination on the plane.
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Re: Pilatus crash, blizzard, SD

Postby 3WE » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:56 am

I would welcome flaming, but I didn’t think an instrument takeoff was that big of a deal (as Bobby wants to make it).

Slightly tougher spatial disorientation, but watching an attitude indicator and keeping FDnH is pretty damn basic...not very different from initiating a climb in IMC.

I did a few hooded takeoffs and the objective was to pretend you hit unplanned zero visibility and maintain Uber precise headings so you don’t go off the side. Disclaimer- light and shadows makes a hood marginally effective.

Ok, talking in circles as a botched takeoff is on the short list of speculation.
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Re: Pilatus crash, blizzard, SD

Postby flyboy2548m » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:31 pm

I'm assuming at least some of those kids were lap children, because there is no way you can shove 12 seats into a PC-12.
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Re: Pilatus crash, blizzard, SD

Postby 3WE » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:42 pm

I'm assuming at least some of those kids were lap children, because there is no way you can shove 12 seats into a PC-12.
Gabe provided this link, there,: http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/11/p ... ident.html

Not really "lap children", and if the hunt was successful, passengers, guns and game...Weight and Balance becomes suspect.
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Re: Pilatus crash, blizzard, SD

Postby Gabriel » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:44 pm

I'm assuming at least some of those kids were lap children, because there is no way you can shove 12 seats into a PC-12.
Gabe provided this link, there,: http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/11/p ... ident.html

Not really "lap children", and if the hunt was successful, passengers, guns and game...Weight and Balance becomes suspect.
Flyboy has a point though. The maximum seating of the PC-12 in high-density config is 11 including the 2 seats in the front.

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Re: Pilatus crash, blizzard, SD

Postby flyboy2548m » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:13 pm

Flyboy has a point though. The maximum seating of the PC-12 in high-density config is 11 including the 2 seats in the front.
Indeed, and, moreover, very few in the US are in that configuration. Most are either club or combi config.

Looking at the family photo, the littlest boy might have possibly been on someone's lap, he looks around 4 years old, so I suppose that's possible. Still, that's an awful lot of people for that airplane.
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Re: Pilatus crash, blizzard, SD

Postby Gabriel » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:29 pm

Flyboy has a point though. The maximum seating of the PC-12 in high-density config is 11 including the 2 seats in the front.
Indeed, and, moreover, very few in the US are in that configuration.
That's what I guessed. I think Boutique Air has some with this high-dens confing and some in the high-dens club* that seat 10 total. But then that's an airline!

*(there is another less cramped club config that seats 8 total, which I guess is what most private owner/operators would have)

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Re: Pilatus crash, blizzard, SD

Postby flyboy2548m » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:33 pm

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Repor ... l&IType=MA

Reminds me of this guy who managed to shove 14 people on a PC-12.
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Re: Pilatus crash, blizzard, SD

Postby 3WE » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:42 pm

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Repor ... l&IType=MA

Reminds me of this guy who managed to shove 14 people on a PC-12.
And the cause was failure to add fuel deicer and mismanagement of a fuel imbalance. Fascinating.
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Re: Pilatus crash, blizzard, SD

Postby 3WE » Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:11 am

Today’s learning is that Mr. Airbus FCOM and automation regurgitator has never considered the calculated risk that a school bus of nuns gets lost on a runway with 0.5 miles visibility during takeoff OR landing.

For the first time I see flyboy’s assertion that the userid might represent be two persons.
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Re: Pilatus crash, blizzard, SD

Postby flyboy2548m » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:27 am

For the first time I see flyboy’s assertion that the userid might represent be two persons.
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Re: Pilatus crash, blizzard, SD

Postby 3WE » Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:38 am

For the first time I see flyboy’s assertion that the userid might represent be two persons.
Sweet King Kamehameha, only took you close to a decade!
Indeed.

Please note that while my perception was lacking, my attention to the teachings of the ISGPOTM was fairly good.
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