US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby Dmmoore » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:43 pm

OldSowBreath wrote:I haven't seen it noted here, but our local rag had a tiny blurb that the Smithsonian confirmed that they were Canada geese.

The geese were only doing what many Canadians do when the snow fly's,leaving!
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby aardvark2zz » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:24 pm

Giles

Happy you finally figured out that data can't give opinions.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby Giles » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:37 pm

aardvark2zz wrote:Giles

Happy you finally figured out that data can't give opinions.
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can you show me where i said this?

also, you still havent mentioned who "us" is? you and 3we?

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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby Giles » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:38 pm

Giles wrote:
aardvark2zz wrote:Giles

Happy you finally figured out that data can't give opinions.
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can you show me where i said this?

also, you still havent mentioned who "us" is? you and 3we?


your chart is still wrong

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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby aardvark2zz » Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:48 pm

Giles wrote:
Giles wrote:....can you show me where i said this?

also, you still havent mentioned who "us" is? you and 3we?


your chart is still wrong


In that case, it very well known when one writes specs, you'll have to define wrong, is it: 1000 km accuracy, 1 km, 1 meter, 1 micron, plank's constant.....?

Wow, you're quoting yourself. Now, that's a real authoritative TV "expert". ;)
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby Giles » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:06 pm

aardvark2zz wrote:
Giles wrote:can you show me where i said this?

also, you still havent mentioned who "us" is? you and 3we?

your chart is still wrong


In that case, it very well known when one writes specs, you'll have to define wrong, is it: 1000 km accuracy, 1 km, 1 meter, 1 micron, plank's constant.....?

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in other words;

-no you can't
-no you can't

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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby aardvark2zz » Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:55 am

Giles wrote:
aardvark2zz wrote:In that case, it very well known when one writes specs, you'll have to define wrong, is it: 1000 km accuracy, 1 km, 1 meter, 1 micron, Planck's constant.....?

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in other words;

-no you can't
-no you can't


Finger stutter problem ? Write it one more time :lol:

I'm honored that you stalk my posts. 0:18 after my post. Almost as good as angryboy2548.

Again, to be scientifically correct, you'll have to give your definition of wrong, regarding the map.

(also spelling updated)
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby 3WE » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:49 pm

aardvark2zz wrote:angryboy2548

(also spelling updated)


In that case Angryboy2548m ;)
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby Dmmoore » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:58 pm

I agree Advark2zz's chart is accurate according to the data used. The data however is suspect as the aircraft was in the water when the data indicated the aircraft was airborne.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby Giles » Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:02 pm

Dmmoore wrote:I agree Advark2zz's chart is accurate according to the data used. The data however is suspect as the aircraft was in the water when the data indicated the aircraft was airborne.


exactly

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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby aardvark2zz » Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:42 pm

3WE wrote:
aardvark2zz wrote:angryboy2548

(also spelling updated)


In that case Angryboy2548m ;)


How about flusteredboy0000m.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby aardvark2zz » Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:47 pm

Dmmoore wrote:I agree Advark2zz's chart is accurate according to the data used. The data however is suspect as the aircraft was in the water when the data indicated the aircraft was airborne.


See, Don wrote it succinctly ..... at touchdown: indicated-altitude <> water-altitude.

Don is my hero 8-)
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby Dmmoore » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:13 pm

aardvark2zz wrote:
Dmmoore wrote:I agree Advark2zz's chart is accurate according to the data used. The data however is suspect as the aircraft was in the water when the data indicated the aircraft was airborne.


See, Don wrote it succinctly ..... at touchdown: indicated-altitude <> water-altitude.

Don is my hero


The last time I was in NYC (admittedly a few years ago) the surface of the Hudson river was affected by the oceans tides. I doubt the surface of the river is than a few inches different from sea level.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby Giles » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:49 pm

short notice - hearing on the hudson ditching;

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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby ZeroAltitude » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:44 pm

New formerly undisclosed pictures have emerged.

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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby Giles » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:15 pm

Discovery Channel tonight;

Mar 04, 10:00 pm

(60 minutes) Hudson Plane Crash - What Really Happened

Inside story of Flight 1549. How does a plane lose both engines over a city, and crash lands without a single death? New footage and exclusive interviews with crew, survivors, and rescuers tell the amazing story of survival.

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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby rattler » Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:24 pm

Dmmoore wrote:
OldSowBreath wrote:I haven't seen it noted here, but our local rag had a tiny blurb that the Smithsonian confirmed that they were Canada geese.

The geese were only doing what many Canadians do when the snow fly's,leaving!


This is not so sure anymore: IMINT gathered on the Hudson lately seems to suggest that there was an evil Canadian Geese Terrorist plot behind the suicidal moves:

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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby The Notorious STG » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:26 pm

Read an article in Popular Mechanics which suggested that the engines on the A-320 are designed to shut down upon command of the onboard computers if they detect that damage or a malfunction in the engine is severe enough. The article suggested that this is why the engines on 1549 shut down, and suggests that had it not been for this commanded shutdown, the engines may have been capable of continuing to produce at least partial power.

Interesting theory I thought.

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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby Gabriel » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:22 am

The Notorious STG wrote:Read an article in Popular Mechanics which suggested that the engines on the A-320 are designed to shut down upon command of the onboard computers if they detect that damage or a malfunction in the engine is severe enough. The article suggested that this is why the engines on 1549 shut down, and suggests that had it not been for this commanded shutdown, the engines may have been capable of continuing to produce at least partial power.

Interesting theory I thought.

Except that they did not shut down...

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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby rattler » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:35 pm

More on the suspicious geese:

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...The Iraqi geese, hell-bent on jihad, flew into the right engine of flight 1549 from LaGuardia to Charlotte, NC, sending it straight into the Hudson River.

All 150-ish passengers aboard the flight have made it out alive and are safe on land, much to the chagrin of the leader goose, Osama bin Honkin.

The threat level has been raised from orange to black, brown and white. Stay tuned for more information as the story develops.


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Stay alert!

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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby zerooneleft » Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:01 am

I am pretty sure that this captain is the type of guy that always has a plan B up his sleeve. What if my engines pack up now? Or when I am over there? What if this gets stuck? What if that becomes in/op. What if... all the time.
I would not be surprised if he has mentally ditched his plane many times before in that particular piece of river.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby Half Bottle » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:53 pm

NTSB has released the CVR transcript as part of today's public hearing:

http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420471.pdf


And, for those who wondered whether attempting LGA or TEB would have been better ideas, my quick skim of the following indicates that it was possible (but barely and probably not likely in real-world conditions).

http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420152.pdf
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby Half Bottle » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:24 pm

And the always-popular animation:

http://www2.ntsb.gov/Weehawken-NJ/animations.html
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby reubee » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:25 pm

Half Bottle wrote:NTSB has released the CVR transcript as part of today's public hearing:

http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420471.pdf


And, for those who wondered whether attempting LGA or TEB would have been better ideas, my quick skim of the following indicates that it was possible (but barely and probably not likely in real-world conditions).

http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420152.pdf


These days it seems a CVR isn't complete unless there is some comment about employment conditions

HOT-2 wonder how the Northwest and Delta pilots are gettin on.

HOT-1 I wonder about that too, I have no idea.

CAM [sound similar to power interruption]

CAM [sound similar to increase in engine
noise/frequency]

HOT-1 yeah hopefully better than we and West do
HOT-2 be hard to do worse.


and I didn't expect to see a cellphone in the cockpit whilst taxying
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Postby Sir Gallivant » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:05 am

Flight sim reenactment of US1549, with voice recordings from several positions at LGA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjXCulRjPas
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