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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:43 pm
by Dmmoore
I haven't seen it noted here, but our local rag had a tiny blurb that the Smithsonian confirmed that they were Canada geese.
The geese were only doing what many Canadians do when the snow fly's,leaving!

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:24 pm
by aardvark2zz
Giles

Happy you finally figured out that data can't give opinions.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:37 pm
by Giles
Giles

Happy you finally figured out that data can't give opinions.
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can you show me where i said this?

also, you still havent mentioned who "us" is? you and 3we?

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:38 pm
by Giles
Giles

Happy you finally figured out that data can't give opinions.
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can you show me where i said this?

also, you still havent mentioned who "us" is? you and 3we?
your chart is still wrong

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:48 pm
by aardvark2zz
....can you show me where i said this?

also, you still havent mentioned who "us" is? you and 3we?
your chart is still wrong
In that case, it very well known when one writes specs, you'll have to define wrong, is it: 1000 km accuracy, 1 km, 1 meter, 1 micron, plank's constant.....?

Wow, you're quoting yourself. Now, that's a real authoritative TV "expert". ;)
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:06 pm
by Giles
can you show me where i said this?

also, you still havent mentioned who "us" is? you and 3we?

your chart is still wrong
In that case, it very well known when one writes specs, you'll have to define wrong, is it: 1000 km accuracy, 1 km, 1 meter, 1 micron, plank's constant.....?

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in other words;

-no you can't
-no you can't

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:55 am
by aardvark2zz
In that case, it very well known when one writes specs, you'll have to define wrong, is it: 1000 km accuracy, 1 km, 1 meter, 1 micron, Planck's constant.....?

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in other words;

-no you can't
-no you can't
Finger stutter problem ? Write it one more time :lol:

I'm honored that you stalk my posts. 0:18 after my post. Almost as good as angryboy2548.

Again, to be scientifically correct, you'll have to give your definition of wrong, regarding the map.

(also spelling updated)
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:49 pm
by 3WE
angryboy2548

(also spelling updated)
In that case Angryboy2548m ;)

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:58 pm
by Dmmoore
I agree Advark2zz's chart is accurate according to the data used. The data however is suspect as the aircraft was in the water when the data indicated the aircraft was airborne.

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:02 pm
by Giles
I agree Advark2zz's chart is accurate according to the data used. The data however is suspect as the aircraft was in the water when the data indicated the aircraft was airborne.
exactly

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:42 pm
by aardvark2zz
angryboy2548

(also spelling updated)
In that case Angryboy2548m ;)
How about flusteredboy0000m.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:47 pm
by aardvark2zz
I agree Advark2zz's chart is accurate according to the data used. The data however is suspect as the aircraft was in the water when the data indicated the aircraft was airborne.
See, Don wrote it succinctly ..... at touchdown: indicated-altitude <> water-altitude.

Don is my hero 8-)
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:13 pm
by Dmmoore
I agree Advark2zz's chart is accurate according to the data used. The data however is suspect as the aircraft was in the water when the data indicated the aircraft was airborne.
See, Don wrote it succinctly ..... at touchdown: indicated-altitude <> water-altitude.

Don is my hero
The last time I was in NYC (admittedly a few years ago) the surface of the Hudson river was affected by the oceans tides. I doubt the surface of the river is than a few inches different from sea level.

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:49 pm
by Giles
short notice - hearing on the hudson ditching;

http://transportation.house.gov/

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:44 pm
by ZeroAltitude
New formerly undisclosed pictures have emerged.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:15 pm
by Giles
Discovery Channel tonight;

Mar 04, 10:00 pm

(60 minutes) Hudson Plane Crash - What Really Happened

Inside story of Flight 1549. How does a plane lose both engines over a city, and crash lands without a single death? New footage and exclusive interviews with crew, survivors, and rescuers tell the amazing story of survival.

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:24 pm
by rattler
I haven't seen it noted here, but our local rag had a tiny blurb that the Smithsonian confirmed that they were Canada geese.
The geese were only doing what many Canadians do when the snow fly's,leaving!
This is not so sure anymore: IMINT gathered on the Hudson lately seems to suggest that there was an evil Canadian Geese Terrorist plot behind the suicidal moves:

Image

Rattler

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:26 pm
by The Notorious STG
Read an article in Popular Mechanics which suggested that the engines on the A-320 are designed to shut down upon command of the onboard computers if they detect that damage or a malfunction in the engine is severe enough. The article suggested that this is why the engines on 1549 shut down, and suggests that had it not been for this commanded shutdown, the engines may have been capable of continuing to produce at least partial power.

Interesting theory I thought.

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:22 am
by Gabriel
Read an article in Popular Mechanics which suggested that the engines on the A-320 are designed to shut down upon command of the onboard computers if they detect that damage or a malfunction in the engine is severe enough. The article suggested that this is why the engines on 1549 shut down, and suggests that had it not been for this commanded shutdown, the engines may have been capable of continuing to produce at least partial power.

Interesting theory I thought.
Except that they did not shut down...

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:35 pm
by rattler
More on the suspicious geese:

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...The Iraqi geese, hell-bent on jihad, flew into the right engine of flight 1549 from LaGuardia to Charlotte, NC, sending it straight into the Hudson River.

All 150-ish passengers aboard the flight have made it out alive and are safe on land, much to the chagrin of the leader goose, Osama bin Honkin.

The threat level has been raised from orange to black, brown and white. Stay tuned for more information as the story develops.
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Stay alert!

Rattler

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:01 am
by zerooneleft
I am pretty sure that this captain is the type of guy that always has a plan B up his sleeve. What if my engines pack up now? Or when I am over there? What if this gets stuck? What if that becomes in/op. What if... all the time.
I would not be surprised if he has mentally ditched his plane many times before in that particular piece of river.
John, I salute you!

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:53 pm
by Half Bottle
NTSB has released the CVR transcript as part of today's public hearing:

http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420471.pdf


And, for those who wondered whether attempting LGA or TEB would have been better ideas, my quick skim of the following indicates that it was possible (but barely and probably not likely in real-world conditions).

http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420152.pdf

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:24 pm
by Half Bottle
And the always-popular animation:

http://www2.ntsb.gov/Weehawken-NJ/animations.html

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:25 pm
by reubee
NTSB has released the CVR transcript as part of today's public hearing:

http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420471.pdf


And, for those who wondered whether attempting LGA or TEB would have been better ideas, my quick skim of the following indicates that it was possible (but barely and probably not likely in real-world conditions).

http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420152.pdf
These days it seems a CVR isn't complete unless there is some comment about employment conditions
HOT-2 wonder how the Northwest and Delta pilots are gettin on.

HOT-1 I wonder about that too, I have no idea.

CAM [sound similar to power interruption]

CAM [sound similar to increase in engine
noise/frequency]

HOT-1 yeah hopefully better than we and West do
HOT-2 be hard to do worse.
and I didn't expect to see a cellphone in the cockpit whilst taxying

Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:05 am
by Sir Gallivant
Flight sim reenactment of US1549, with voice recordings from several positions at LGA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjXCulRjPas