The Shootdown of Korean Air Lines Flight 007

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Re: The Shootdown of Korean Air Lines Flight 007

Postby Bert Schlossberg » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:12 pm

THIS IS PARTLY RE-POST WITH NEW BUT LONG HELD INFO. SUDDENLY, WITH THE NEW EVIDENCE OF POST SHOOT DOWN PASSENGER PRESENCE ON SAKHALIN ISLAND, THERE IS HEIGHTENED RELEVANCE OF DIVER FINDS, AND EVIDENCE OF SECONDARY PLACEMENT OF KAL 007 UNDER WATER. (photo of the Soviet ship Mikhail Mirchink)

"...Three diving groups have been documented, but there are indications that other groups were involved as well. The first of the three documented groups were the military divers assigned to the naval units on Soviet Gavan on the Siberian coast, across the Tatar Straits from Sakhalin Island. These naval divers operated two manned and two unmanned submersibles from their mother ship, the Georgi Kozmin.

"Second, there was the Murmansk group working from the Ministry of Oil drilling ship Mikhail Mirchink. The Mirchink was a Swedish-built ship that had the great advantage of being able to coordinate its position and then dynamically stabilize its position regardless of changing wind and water conditions, without the use of anchors. This ship was of central importance in recovering most of the debris from what was probably the main location of the downed, sunk, and exploded aircraft.

"The third group was the Svestapol group operating from the combined search and fishing boat, the Hydronaut. The Hydronaut was mother vessel to two small two-man submersibles, the Tinro 2 and the Okeanolog. Mikhail Igorevich Girs was the designer and captain of the Tinro 2, the submersible used most extensively by the Svestapol divers. The Okeanolog made only two dives. Admiral Vladimir Vasilyevich Sidorov, Commander of the Soviet Pacific Fleet, directed the Soviet Salvage operations, having the civilian divers as well as the military under his direct command. Chief diver for the Murmansk group, but also involved with the Svestapol team, was Vladimir Vasilyevich Zakharchenko. He chronicled the diving sessions.

"The Svestapol group began diving on September 15, sometime after the military divers had descended. How much earlier the military had started its work is unknown—unknown, that is, as far as the Izvestiya series is concerned. However, according to reports of Soviet immigrants to Israel and elsewhere, referred to in the CIA Report/Republican Staff Study, it was immediately after being downed—and after Soviet Coast Guard ships under the command of KGB General Romanenko had removed passengers and luggage—that KAL 007 was “towed to Soviet territorial waters near Moneron, and deliberately sunk in shallow waters inside Soviet territorial limits.” It would have been possible, therefore, for Soviet military divers to have commenced their diving on September 1, the very day KAL 007 was shot-down. The civilian divers knew that military divers had preceded them and understood, or were given to understand, that they (the civilian divers) were required because of their superior equipment.

"Yet, however plausible the explanation appears, the reports of KAL 007’s Soviet civilian divers suggests that the military equipment was, indeed, adequate for the task. But, that the task they accomplished was other than the task assigned to the civilian crews. The ensuing evidence of the Soviet civilian divers suggests that the task of the military vessels—and civilian vessels commandeered by the military—was, as strange as it may seem, primarily towing then sinking the downed airliner, and then exploding the now submerged airliner and dispersing its wreckage in order to simulate an aerial explosion which civilian divers could then be called to authenticate and corroborate. And so, the Soviet Union would escape incrimination. Here then are the main findings of both military and civilian divers. The plane as viewed and searched by the military divers was basically integral and more in one piece—more structurally sound—than when the plane was later visited by the civilian divers. The description of the plane by the military divers as being “enterable” was so at variance with the plane as viewed later by the civilian divers that Captain Mikhail Igorevich Girs, Commander of the Tinro 2 submersible, doubts their report.

“It was during one of these exchanges that we met the military divers. “An entry in Captain Girs’ diary: ‘During the day, spent some time with the rescue divers. They clarified a lot of things, but it looks like our work is not over yet. They found the fuselage, closer to the tail, and there are many remains there. It was standing vertically between the reefs. They first lowered it down, and then got inside.’ “‘To be honest,’ continued Mikhail Igorevich, ‘I did not completely believe those divers. According to them, they found the tail part of the aircraft standing upright. But this is a very large fragment of the Boeing. They said that they found it in the reefs. I also went to the reefs, but there, too, I saw only small fragments—but they were everywhere. The biggest parts I encountered were the chassis, wheels, engines, and pieces of the aircraft body.’ Yet when questioning high ranking officers at Sokol Airbase on Sakhalin Island, correspondent Andrey Illesh found confirmation that at an early stage KAL 007 was integral enough to be climbed on. “Specialists—navy men—had found the giant aircraft in the Sea of Japan. In addition, submariners (military also) had gone to the bottom and had ‘clambered’ all over KAL 007 top to bottom.” Izvestiya, May 28, 1991,

"The military and civilian diving sessions at no time overlapped. When the military divers had concluded their work, the civilian divers began. The first of the civilian divers to descend were from the Svestapol group. “The people from Svestapol told us that they had also been working at the bottom of the Sea of Japan. On top of that, even earlier than the divers from Murmansk!” Diver Viyacheslav Popov informs us of the military’s prior work, and then in amazement he informs us of a reversal in procedures—a reversal that should not have occurred.

“The first submergence was on 15 September, two weeks after the aircraft had been shot down. As we learned then, before us the trawlers had done some ‘work’ in the designated quadrant. It is hard to understand what sense the military saw in the trawling operation. First drag everything haphazardly around the bottom by the trawls, and then send in the submersibles?... It is clear that things should have been done in the reverse order.”95

"But this “reversal” supports the contention that KAL 007’s final resting place was not its original placement, but that while still afloat, it had been towed from its original landing site and then sunk (and exploded); and then its wreckage dispersed to make it appear that a plane in disintegration had scattered its parts as it hurled earthward. Captain Girs confirms this general impression of secondary placement:

“The impression is that all of this has been dragged here by trawl rather than falling down from the sky.”96

"By the end of September, the Soviet drilling ship Mikhail Mirchink, which possibly had been stationed and working east of Moneron off of Sakhalin Island, situated itself north of Moneron. Both civilian diving groups inspected, photographed, and recovered wreckage and debris from the Boeing 747. A full understanding of the fate of the 269 people requires a familiarity and appreciation of what these divers saw and—just as importantly—what they did not see. Their reactions to their underwater experience are equally informative, revealing both their expectations and the minds of those who prepared them for their underwater task. For these reasons, it is best to hear their descriptions and experiences from the watery environs, as reported in Izvestiya.

"Viyacheslav Popov: “I will confess that we felt great relief when we found out that there were no bodies at the bottom. Not only no bodies; there were also no suitcases or large bags. Sometimes the thought even occurred: Was it really a passenger plane, or is that a deception? I remember we put together this independent version (we had to explain the situation to ourselves somehow): they did have an accident with a specific Boeing somewhere out there, but then they ‘covered’ it with this forgery—this spy plane.”97

Vladimir Bondarev: “‘I discovered this human hand,’ he extends a horrifying photo toward us [Izvestiya’s reporters], ‘during the second or third submergence—between 17 and 20 September. When I saw it, I decided to make sure that it was not a plaster cast—I asked the captain to zoom in on it. That was the only way to make sure that it could not be a fake.’”98

Captain Mikhail Igorevich Girs: “From Captain Girs’ diary: ‘Submergence 10 October. Aircraft pieces, wing spars, pieces of aircraft skin, wiring, and clothing. But—no people. The impression is that all of this has been dragged here by a trawl rather than falling down from the sky…’”99 “So we were ready to encounter a virtual cemetery. But one submergence went by, then the second, and then the third... During the entire rather lengthy period of our work near Moneron, I and my people had maybe ten encounters with the remains of Boeing passengers. No more than that.”100 “Something else was inexplicable to us—zipped up clothes. For instance, a coat, slacks, shorts, a sweater with zippers—the items were different, but— zipped up and nothing inside. We came to this conclusion then: Most likely, the passengers had been pulled out of the plane by decompression and they fell in a completely different place from where we found the debris.

V. Zakharchenko, G. Matyevenko, V. Kondrabayev: “We thought we would go down and see a cemetery... But... There were no bodies the first day or the next... We learned our way around. And when I saw some remains for the first time I was surprised but not frightened. And then we did find some bones. Two... I took them in my hand... Later I saw some human skin with hair, like a scalp. The hair was black... But when it was touched all this fell apart... I saw what I thought was a fist in a glove. And then, remember, we saw a torso without a head, wearing a jacket. And winding their way out from under the jacket were some white strands—apparently the remains of entrails…”101 97 Izvestiya, May 27, 1991, p. 6. 98 Ibid. 99 Izvestiya, May 28, 1991, p. 8. 100 (There is no way of ascertaining from this testimony if the “ten encounters” were with ten separate bodies or (more likely) ten encounters with a lesser number of bodies. It is entirely possible that these encounters were with fragments from the same individual. 101 In all the divers’ reports, this is the only reference to a torso—that is, a body. B.S.)

“I did not miss a single dive. I have quite a clear impression: The aircraft was filled with garbage, but there were really no people there. Why? Usually when an aircraft crashes, even a small one... As a rule there are suitcases and bags, or at least the handles of the suitcases.”102 V. Zakharchenko: “But the main thing was not what we had seen there but what we had not seen—the divers had found practically no human bodies or remains…”103 “Well, we found some pants with holes in the knees, a belt—also torn, everything else intact. What does this say? A person was probably wearing these pants... Then when we returned to Murmansk, we started reading the newspapers - we found what they were writing especially interesting. I thought at that time—it is impossible to simulate the death of such a number of people... to organize their relatives who would be in mourning—in Korea, Thailand, the United States, Taiwan... You might be able to fake two or three—but two hundred or more?…”104

“But there was no fire in the Boeing—that is for sure. Things were intact, although all thoroughly saturated with kerosene. So... you heard all kinds of talk among members of this expedition—like there were no people there, on this aircraft, that all this was a falsification. All in all, I too was of this opinion at first. Almost no traces indicating people there, except for personal effects. But there were personal effects! Judging from the clothing, clothing worn by people. Why? Because it was torn. The way I see it—the people were cut apart by fragments.” “No, they were not looking for people at all. They were looking for something they feared more than the tears and the curses of those who lost their loved ones…” “No, no one asked us to recover people’s remains. Only—components, tapes, documents, the black box.”105
Then Nebuchadnezer, the King, arose amazed and frightened and said..."Didn't we throw three men into the burning fire, bound?...But I see four, unbound, and walking around, unharmed. And the fourth is like the Son of God." Daniel 3:24,25

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Re: The Shootdown of Korean Air Lines Flight 007

Postby Bert Schlossberg » Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:35 pm

Question, if any one can help me with. Can ACARS besides communication to air craft through the Flight Management System control the flight through the FMS?
Then Nebuchadnezer, the King, arose amazed and frightened and said..."Didn't we throw three men into the burning fire, bound?...But I see four, unbound, and walking around, unharmed. And the fourth is like the Son of God." Daniel 3:24,25

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Re: The Shootdown of Korean Air Lines Flight 007

Postby Gabriel » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:14 pm

Question, if any one can help me with. Can ACARS besides communication to air craft through the Flight Management System control the flight through the FMS?
If you are asking if ACARS can make inputs in the FMS, then no.

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Re: The Shootdown of Korean Air Lines Flight 007

Postby Bert Schlossberg » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:01 pm

WE HAVE JUST RECEIVED A CONFIRMATION THAT THIS RENTAL CAR CARD FOUND AT NEVELSK BELONGS TO A PASSENGER OF KAL 007..."Jun-seon Yu, the son of Kabil Yu, just called...and confirmed that the rental car card belonged to his father who was the vice-president of the Korean branch of Ingersol Rand. He frequently traveled back and forth to the States. Mr. Jun-seon Yu is now 49 years old, he was 13 at the time."

We think that we have a second identification of an item from Nevelsk, Sakhalin, the reported town that the passengers and crew of KAL 007 were taken by the Soviets on the day of the shoot down. I ask you for your help in verifying. The item we believe according to the signature is that of passenger Kabil-Yoo from Seoul Korea seated at 11A..Both items have come to us by the same source at Nevelsk. Sakhalin, 41 miles from Moneron Island, the site of the aircraft set down.


Sitting next to Kab-il Yu, seat 11B was Mark A. McGetrick, 33 years old from Danbury, Connecticut

See photos of both items from the two passengers of KAL 007, Kab-il Yu and So-J. Son. They with others were brought to Nevelsk and the next day taken to the Siberian Maritime port of Soviet Gavan and after that inland. We think that these two items were dropped intentionally in the hopes of signalling that they were alive and in the hopes of rescue. Both items can be seen on the Face book page "KAL 007 Families and Friends"
Then Nebuchadnezer, the King, arose amazed and frightened and said..."Didn't we throw three men into the burning fire, bound?...But I see four, unbound, and walking around, unharmed. And the fourth is like the Son of God." Daniel 3:24,25


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