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Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby Verbal » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:50 am

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- A commercial jetliner with 46 people on board was reported missing in western Venezuela on Thursday, officials said.

Noel Marquez, director of Venezuela's emergency management agency in the western city of Merida, said the twin-engine plane did not make contact with control towers in two cities as expected after it took off from Merida en route to Simon Bolivar International Airport outside of Caracas.

"It did not make contact with the control towers," Marquez said.

He said authorities were searching for the plane and confirmed it belonged to the company Santa Barbara, a small Venezuelan airline that covers domestic routes throughout the country.
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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby Princess Leia » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:10 am

Other reports are of it being an ATR-42. Hopefully it is found soon.
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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby DeskFlyer » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:09 am

Not good news unfortunately.

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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby Carlos G. » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:11 pm

According to latest news here in Portugal, the airplane - an ATR 42-300 inmatriculated YV-1449 - took off the "Alberto Carnevalli" airport (city of Merida) situated some 600 km SW of Caracas at 16:59h local time, bound to the city of Maiquetia. It was reported missing around 17:45h local time when it (supposedly) was flying at FL 185. According to Civil Protection authorities of Merida, the airplane went missing in the region of Collao del Condór, near the La Pernada lagoon and the mountain city of El Páramo, situated at 4.750m altitude. The airplane belonged to the Santa Barbara Airlines of Venezuela.

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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby Shorrick Mk2 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:29 pm

According to the latest news, the aircraft slammed straight into the mountain, without any survivors.

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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby wykx » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:20 pm

The wreckage has been found 10km far from Merida airport.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jRF ... 1uDVLNMlug

CARACAS (AFP) — Un avión comercial desaparecido el jueves con 46 ocupantes a bordo fue localizado este viernes "prácticamente pulverizado" y sin sobrevivientes en los Andes venezolanos, anunciaron autoridades que trabajan en el rescate de los restos de las víctimas.

En el vuelo de la aerolínea venezolana Santa Bárbara "se presume que no hay sobrevivientes, por la forma del impacto", dijo el general Ramón Viña, del Instituto Nacional de Aeronáutica Civil de Venezuela.

La aeronave, un turbohélice ATR42 que realizaba un vuelo doméstico a Caracas desde la ciudad suroccidental de Mérida, se estrelló de frente contra una montaña, agregó Viña.

El hallazgo fue hecho desde el aire a seis millas náuticas al noreste (10 kilómetros) del aeropuerto de Mérida, en la cordillera andina en el páramo Los Conejos, a unos 4.000 metros de altitud, unos 500 km al suroeste de Caracas, precisó Viña.

El avión biturbohélice "impactó contra una cara de la montaña", dijo el general Antonio Rivero, director nacional de Protección Civil.

"El aparato está prácticamente pulverizado y se impactó de manera directa", dijo a su turno el socorrista Jodi Paz, sargento bombero que avistó desde el aire al aparato.

El testigo también expresó temores de que por las observaciones realizadas "no hay sobrevivientes", según dijo al canal Globovisión.

Entre las posibles víctimas están dos familiares del viceministro de Seguridad Ciudadana, Tarek El Alssami; el conocido politólogo de la Universidad Central de Venezuela Italo Luongo, el alcalde de Rangel de Mérida, Alexander Quintero, y su hijo de 11 años de edad, dijo el gobernador de Mérida Florencio Porras.

"Se estrelló a 12.000 pies de altura en contra de una pared de piedra", declaró Paz, quien agregó que la zona montañosa es intricada para los trabajos de rescate.

Para llegar hasta el avión siniestrado hay que hacerlo a pie, explicó.

En la aeronave viajaban 46 personas (43 pasajeros y 3 tripulantes), confirmó a la AFP el director general de Protección Civil, Antonio Rivero.

El avión desapareció la tarde del jueves y las primeras operaciones de búsqueda comenzaron poco después que se perdió contacto con la nave, pero fueron suspendidas durante la noche.

"La noche del jueves las primeras cuadrillas terrestres llegaron a pie a una zona montañosa muy escarpada. No se pudo lograr nada por las condiciones climáticas, frías de unos 2 grados Celcius, a unos 3.200 metros sobre el nivel del mar" en los Andes venezolanos, explicó AFP Noel Márquez, Márquez director de Protección Civil de la ciudad Mérida (unos 500 al suroeste).

Las tareas de búsqueda se reanudaron al amanecer del viernes, con el apoyo de tres helicópteros MI-17 y patrullas terrestres, dijo por teléfono Márquez.

Este viernes, gracias al buen tiempo, los rescatistas pudieron avistar la nave siniestrada desde helicópteros.

Márquez precisó que lugareños informaron a las autoridades que habían visto estrellarse el avión contra una montaña cerca de la laguna andina La Pernada.

Ninguna torre de control recibió llamados de emergencia por parte del piloto de la aeronave, capitán Albino Garavito, con "gran experiencia en la zona", indicó un funcionario del aeropuerto de Mérida.

La aeronave había despegado a las 16H59 (21H29 GMT) del aeropuerto de Mérida con destino a Caracas.

El avión siniestrado es un ATR42 biturbohélice de fabricación franco-italiana y fue construido a finales de los años 80, indicó la compañía.

Las autoridades venezolanas no han ofrecido información sobre las posibles causas del siniestro, pero en el aeropuerto de Mérida no descartaban que el avión se hubiera desviado del curso por mal tiempo.

La Compañía Santa Bárbara Airlines, fundada en Maracaibo en 1995, no había sufrido hasta ahora ningún accidente.

Además de vuelos locales, esta compañía realiza vuelos internacionales a ocho destinos internacionales, entre otros Madrid, Miami, Aruba y Tenerife, en las islas Canarias.

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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby Dmmoore » Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:44 am

Another CFIT! :shock: The weather was bad but the mountain didn't suddenly appear!
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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby Carlos G. » Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:53 am

"Se estrelló a 12.000 pies de altura en contra de una pared de piedra", declaró Paz, quien agregó que la zona montañosa es intricada para los trabajos de rescate.
"It slammed at 12.000 ft against a wall of stone", Paz declared, who went on saying the mountainous area is very tricky for rescue activities.

The point of impact was only 10km after take-off so I suppose the ATR was still gaining altitude to its planned height of 18.500 ft (FL mentioned in news here in Portugal). We also were told here that both pilots were CFI and the captain had already 8 years of flying in his country.

Yes, RIP, yet it should be tried to know what the causes were (if ever possible). Error in situational awareness? Ice? Should be interesting to get the planned route for this flight and the exact location of the impact.

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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby wykx » Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:27 pm

El helicóptero de la Alcaldía de Maracaibo ubico los restos
del YV1449 en coordenadas: LATITUD: 08º39.190' NORTE y LONGITUD:
-071º13.423' OESTE

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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby Carlos G. » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:08 am

According to afp and Reuters the rescue crews found both black boxes.

They are working in extremely hard conditions (lack of oxygen, cold, fog and very difficult acesses) and it seems there was a deviation from the aircraft's normal flight path.

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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby Carlos G. » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:52 am

Rescuers find Venezuela plane crash black boxes

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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby FrankM » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:17 pm

Does the ATR-42 have this type of flight computer where you program in the full route like in an A320, 737, etc. ?
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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby Half Bottle » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:20 pm

it seems there was a deviation from the aircraft's normal flight path.
Seeing as the mountain probably didn't move into the normal flight path, I would say that is a certainty.
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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby el » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:23 pm


Seeing as the mountain probably didn't move into the normal flight path, I would say that is a certainty.
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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby FrankM » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:29 pm

it seems there was a deviation from the aircraft's normal flight path.
Seeing as the mountain probably didn't move into the normal flight path, I would say that is a certainty.
Don't want to split hair, but if you define flight path only 2-dimensional, then it would be indeed real information, as they might have as well been in the right spot, but flying too low (for whatever reason)
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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby Giles » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:30 pm


Seeing as the mountain probably didn't move into the normal flight path, I would say that is a certainty.
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Re: Venezuelan jetliner missing.

Postby Carlos G. » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:51 pm

it seems there was a deviation from the aircraft's normal flight path.
Seeing as the mountain probably didn't move into the normal flight path, I would say that is a certainty.
Could also have been icing preventing it from attaining the FL to get over the top of the mountain or the mountain ridge (if they were in the clouds), wrong altimeter setting, etc.


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