787 inflight structural breakup in 3....2....1....

[Sickbag]

Counting from now or from the first time that you've said it... some eighteen months back.

Yes.

Yes.

[Gabriel]

Counting from now or from the first time that you've said it... some eighteen months back.

Yes.

Yes.

There's no interrogation mark in my post.

[Not_Karl]

Counting from now or from the first time that you've said it... some eighteen months back?

There's no interrogation mark in my post.

Fixed. You're welcome.

[Sickbag]

There's no interrogation mark in my post.

Why not.

[Gabriel]

There's no interrogation mark in my post.

Why not.

Exactly. That's the reason why not.

[Procede]

When it's brown, it's done. When it's black, it's buggered:
NTSB releases picture of charred 787 battery box

[Ancient Mariner]

When it's brown, it's done. When it's black, it's buggered:
NTSB releases picture of charred 787 battery box

I saw a picture ot the wiring in the electronics bay somewhere and couldn't believe my eyes. Total amateurs, crossed wires, dangling, unfastened wires, sharp bends...............all the no, nos in the book. If that was my shed which I'm building at the moment I would have been given day fines until corrected and no power would have been supplied, if a ship it would never been allowed to leave the yard by the Classification Society, but in an airplane it is OK? Scary shit.
Then there's the Lithium battery, talk about a disaster waiting to happen. I'll give the "Dreamliner" at least 5 years before I will trust it with my life. 18 months notwithstanding.
Per

[monchavo]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013 ... rounds-787

entire fleet grounded @ JAL and ANA

Per, you nearly got your wish....

[Ancient Mariner]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013 ... rounds-787

entire fleet grounded @ JAL and ANA

Per, you nearly got your wish....

I do not wish bad things to anyone, but this had me in stitches:

US aviation officials say the aircraft is safe

.
Per

[Sickbag]

With the two biggest purchasers of the 787 grounding their fleet the tide is rapidly going out for Boeing.

Far from being the shiny new addition to the Boeing family this aircraft has behaved like an bingo-winged incontinent granny with a pyromanic streak.

Time to put her out of our misery I think.

[capslock]

NH203 arrived on time in FRA (ok, it took off about at the time ANA announced the grounding) and NH204 seems to heft left on time about two hours ago, at least according to Fraport info. It also shows as a 787. Flightaware has the flight as on schedule but fails to show position info. NH203/204 for Thursday show as on schedule, but today's flights to Beijing, Seattle and San Jose show as cancelled -> ???

[3WE]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013 ... rounds-787

entire fleet grounded @ JAL and ANA

Per, you nearly got your wish....

It appears that the escape chute systems performed flawlessly.

(But did they make the time goal?)

[Ancient Mariner]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013 ... rounds-787

entire fleet grounded @ JAL and ANA

Per, you nearly got your wish....

It appears that the escape chute systems performed flawlessly.

(But did they make the time goal?)

I noticed that those chutes were pretty steep, meight saving measures?
Per

[Verbal]

Top Airlines in Japan Grounding Boeing 787s
The New York Times 01/16/2013
Authors: Hiroko Tabuchi and Jad Mouawad
c. 2012 New York Times Company

TOKYO — Japan’s two largest airlines said Wednesday they would ground their fleets of Boeing’s new 787 aircraft, the Dreamliner, after one operated by All Nippon Airways made an emergency landing in western Japan.

The 137 passengers and crew used emergency slides to exit the aircraft after possible battery trouble and smoke forced the ANA flight to Tokyo from Ube in western Japan to land at Takamatsu airport in southern Japan instead, according to the public broadcaster, NHK. One elderly passenger suffered a slight hip injury during the evacuation, NHK said.

The emergency landing comes after a string of problems in the last month with the aircraft, including a battery fire, fuel leaks, and a cracked cockpit window.

All Nippon said after Wednesday’s incident that it was grounding all 17 of its Dreamliners for inspections. Japan Airlines said it would also temporarily ground the five Boeing 787s it still operates; two others are already undergoing safety checks.

Akihiro Ota, Japan’s transportation minister, said the emergency landing raised concerns over the Dreamliner’s safety, and that he would dispatch safety officials to investigate. “I see this as a serious incident which could have led to a serious accident,” Mr. Ota told reporters in Tokyo.

All Nippon’s vice president, Osamu Shinobe, told a reporters at a news conference at Tokyo’s Haneda Airport, “I apologize for the grave concern and trouble we have caused our passengers, their families and others.” He said the airline was still investigating.

Federal authorities in the United States have also voiced concern about problems the new aircraft has faced but still endorsed it as a safe airplane.

The Federal Aviation Administration last week ordered a comprehensive review of the 787’s manufacturing and design, with a special focus on the plane’s electrical systems. But in a news conference last Thursday, the Transportation Secretary, Ray LaHood, made no mention of a possible grounding of 787s.

Still, the review is unusual and comes 15 months after the 787 entered service after a lengthy certification process by the F.A.A. It comes during a formal investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board into what caused a battery fire in a Japan Airlines plane that had flown to Boston from Tokyo last week.

Late Tuesday in Tokyo, the N.T.S.B. said it was “currently in the process of gathering information about the B-787 emergency landing in Japan earlier today."

Eight airlines now fly the 787: All Nippon Airways and Japan Airlines in Japan currently own 24 of the 50 delivered by Boeing since November 2011. The other operators are Air India, Ethiopian Airlines, Chile’s LAN Airlines, Poland’s LOT, Qatar Airways and United Airlines.

Boeing has sought to ease concerns about the plane’s design and reliability, and insisted it was no more trouble-prone than other new commercial airplane programs. The 787 relies more on electrical systems than previous generations of airplanes. Electrical systems, not mechanical ones, operate hydraulic pumps, de-ice the wings, pressurize the cabin and handle other tasks. The plane also has electric brakes instead of hydraulic ones.

While problems are common with early models — including with the first Airbus A380, the Boeing 777 or even the first 747s — analysts say the issue could become a growing embarrassment for Boeing if travelers or airlines begin to lose confidence in the plane.

So far, safety experts said that the problems with the 787 pointed more to teething problems than structural faults. But the problem is more than just one of reputation for Boeing: the plane maker has said it expects to sell 5,000 787s in the next 20 years, but analysts believe it will be years before it breaks even because of delays.

[3WE]

1/16/2012 ~2000Z

FAA grounds the 787

[Sir Gallivant]

1/16/2012 ~2000Z

FAA grounds the 787

So UAL32 about to land at Tokyo (jan 17 0625Z) is the last airborne 787 for a bit?

[Sickbag]

1/16/2012 ~2000Z

FAA grounds the 787

So UAL32 about to land at Tokyo (jan 17 0625Z) is the last airborne 787 for a bit?

I am pleased to report that currently there is no risk of in-flight structural break-up, the FAA have made the 787 safe.

[Sir Gallivant]

And it is grounded in Europe as well.

[monchavo]

Per - did you watch the footage of the Japanese businessmen exiting thr 787? Amusingly they all adopted the position shown in the preflight safety video around the posture to adopt when using one of these slides. Asian airlines do this, but EU and American airlines don't... I guess some people must jump down the slides head first ...

[monchavo]

Air India: 6
All Nippon Airways (Japan): 17
Ethiopian Airlines: 4
Japan Airlines: 7
LAN Airlines (Chile): 3
Lot Polish Airlines: 2
Qatar Airways: 5
United Airlines (US) 6
Total: 50

[Ancient Mariner]

Per - did you watch the footage of the Japanese businessmen exiting thr 787? Amusingly they all adopted the position shown in the preflight safety video around the posture to adopt when using one of these slides. Asian airlines do this, but EU and American airlines don't... I guess some people must jump down the slides head first ...

I haven't seen the video yet, but I can imagine Japanese businessmen being very faithful to any order or directive given. Chinese on the other hand would have had a fistfight at the door and tumbled down the chutes any which way while clutching their worldy possesions to their chest, smoking, eating and speaking on their cell phone.
Per

[Sickbag]

The only lithium inside a Boeing aircraft should be in the medication they obviously need to give their 787 designers.

[3WE]

...lithium inside a Boeing aircraft...

[Scottish voice]Captain, the dilithium crystals are overheating, I've got to take the main engines off line, and initiate a precautionary landing actually, we need to ground the whole starfleet[/Scottish voice]

[Kirk]Sulu reduce to warp factor 250, reduce altitude and lay in a course for New Orleans[/Kirk]

http://airdisaster.info/10/forums/viewt ... 884#p59884

[Verbal]

You people are so judgmental. Sniff

[Ancient Mariner]

You people are so judgmental. Sniff

There, there now, it will be OK, eventually.
Per