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777 Down?

Postby Thunder Down Under » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:14 am

Malaysian Airlines has lost contact with a 777 on flight K L to Beiging.

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Re: 777 Down?

Postby ocelot » Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:38 am

avherald, pprune

looks like it went down with all hands, I'm afraid.

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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Lancer » Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:38 pm

At cruising altitude, with no weather issues.
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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Sickbag » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:52 pm

That rules out clipping a sea wall I guess
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Re: 777 Down?

Postby PurduePilot » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:18 pm

That rules out clipping a sea wall I guess
Thanks for your insightful comment.

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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Not_Karl » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:23 pm

Investigation is centering on the identity of two passengers who were using the identity of an Austrian and Italian who had their passports stolen in Thailand but confirmed they were not on the plane. They are considering whether the plane was targeted as terrorist attack.
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Re: 777 Down?

Postby monchavo » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:21 pm

Big media attention, no doubt you've all seen it. Care to speculate rudely?

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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Sickbag » Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:19 pm

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Re: 777 Down?

Postby tds » Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:05 pm

Big media attention, no doubt you've all seen it. Care to speculate rudely?
I've been waiting for you to ask!

Some scenarios where I can think of a precedent:

Upset - failure to recover (Aeroflot 593)
Stall - failure to recover (Air France 447, although not the same initial problem, but also at night / over water making recovery more difficult)
Explosion - Bomb (Pan Am 103)
Explosion - Other (TWA 800)
Explosion - Missile (KAL007)
Intentional Crash (Silk Air 185)
Structural failure - maintenance error (JAL123)
Structural failure - other (Comet, Aloha 243)
Hijack (9/11, or Ethiopian 961)
Fire (Swiss 111)
Mid-air collision (GOL 1907, DHL 611)
Fuel delivery problem (BA38)
Fuel exhaustion (AC143)

Some where I can't offhand:

Contaminated fuel
Failure of both engines - maintenance error
Failure of both engines - uncorrelated
Total control system failure

I have absolutely no clue whether it was any of these or none, and neither does anyone else. There's virtually no data until they find it. Although some of them are sillier than others based on what little is currently known (general 777 systems / history, prevailing weather, absence of distress call).

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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Rabbi O'Genius » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:55 am

Time for gratuitous speculation.....

The chaps with dodgy passports were suicide bombers...
Why do you need more than one?
because each had less than 100 ml of the bomb.

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Re: 777 Down?

Postby tds » Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:40 am

Some news outlets are saying that search ops are taking place in the Straits of Malacca. If the airplane actually made it there then it remained under control for some time.

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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Rabbi O'Genius » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:31 pm

Some news outlets are saying that search ops are taking place in the Straits of Malacca. If the airplane actually made it there then it remained under control for some time.
and how would they get there without being observed by land-based radar??
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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:58 pm

Some news outlets are saying that search ops are taking place in the Straits of Malacca. If the airplane actually made it there then it remained under control for some time.
and how would they get there without being observed by land-based radar??
Not to mention the heavy shipping traffic in the area. Air traffic radar coverage I know nothing about.
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Re: 777 Down?

Postby J » Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:24 pm

A few interesting excerpts from the article:

"Never have I seen an aircraft losing control and losing all communication" simultaneously, said Mark Martin of aviation consultancy Martin Consulting. In several crashes over the years, an emergency locator beacon helped lead search and rescue teams to crash sites

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In recent weeks, U.S. officials have been tracking possible airliner terrorist plots, such as ones involving toothpaste bombs. "That's why we're so concerned," a senior U.S. official said. "We are tracking several airline plots." The official was quick to note there was no evidence of terrorism in the Malaysia case as of Sunday night.

Rep. Mike Rogers (R., Mich.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos " that the U.S. military didn't detect any type of midair explosion.

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A team of American aviation accident investigators, led by National Transportation Safety Board experts, were dispatched Saturday to Southeast Asia to provide assistance. The team includes technical advisers from Boeing Co. and the Federal Aviation Administration.

The NTSB's decision, according to air-safety officials, indicates that at least at this point, U.S. aviation regulators and safety watchdogs are treating the plane's disappearance as an accident rather than an act of terrorism. The safety board investigators, rather than U.S. law-enforcement or national-security officials, are the public face of America's response.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 54006.html

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Re: 777 Down?

Postby 3WE » Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:53 pm

Now that we're a few days into it, I'm surprised there hasn't been more information on the "oil slick" that was supposedly somewhat close to where they were supposed to be.
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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Sickbag » Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:55 pm

Is anyone else thinking forced landing at sea, luggage retrieval and internment of the passengers on a soviet gulag?
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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Gabriel » Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:27 pm

Now that we're a few days into it, I'm surprised there hasn't been more information on the "oil slick" that was supposedly somewhat close to where they were supposed to be.
There has been: Samples were analyzed and found not to belong to the plane.

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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:57 am

Ahem,
requiring US operators of approximately 46 Boeing 777-200 and -300 series widebodies to perform repetitive inspections for cracks in the fuselage skin lap splices at several locations on the aircraft.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... aa-374597/
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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Thunder Down Under » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:39 am

Ahem,
requiring US operators of approximately 46 Boeing 777-200 and -300 series widebodies to perform repetitive inspections for cracks in the fuselage skin lap splices at several locations on the aircraft.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... aa-374597/
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Velly interesting.

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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Thunder Down Under » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:51 am

A young woman claims she was entertained in the cockpit for an entire flight back in 2011 by the co-pilot who was on board the Malaysian Airlines plane that went missing on Saturday.


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Jonti Roos, who lives in Melbourne, came forward with photos of her posing with a man she claims is 27-year-old Fariq Abdul Hamid - the first officer on missing flight MH370.

She told A Current Affair she and a friend were ready to board a flight from Phuket to Kuala Lumpur in 2011 when the two pilots asked if they would spend the duration of the international flight in the cockpit.

Ms Roos says they were seated in the cockpit during takeoff and landing and that the pilots even asked the girls to stay a few nights in Kuala Lumpur with them.

"Throughout the entire flight they were talking to us and they were actually smoking throughout the flight, which I don't think they're allowed to do," Ms Roos said.

"I know for the whole time they weren't facing the front of the plane and actually flying.
"[They were] possibly a little bit sleazy. They invited us, well asked us, if we could arrange our trip to stay a few extra nights."

While passengers are not permitted under any circumstances in the cockpit, according to a Malaysian Airlines spokesperson, Ms Roos said she never felt unsafe.

"I don't think there was one instance where I felt threatened or I felt that they didn't know what they were doing," she said.

"I felt like they were very friendly, but I felt they were very competent in what they were doing."

Ms Roos said she was shocked when she saw photos of Abdul Hamid who was one of 239 people on the flight that disappeared en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur on Saturday.

"When I realised it was the exact same co-pilot and not only that but I had met him and I have photos in the cockpit with him, that was quite shocking," she said.
"When I saw all his friends and family posting on his wall my heart really broke for them and my heart broke for the family of the passengers. It's just a really sad story."

Source: A Current Affair

There are photo's but I can't post them.

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Re: 777 Down?

Postby reubee » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:50 am

A young woman claims she was entertained in the cockpit for an entire flight back in 2011 by the co-pilot who was on board the Malaysian Airlines plane that went missing on Saturday.


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Jonti Roos, who lives in Melbourne, came forward with photos of her posing with a man she claims is 27-year-old Fariq Abdul Hamid - the first officer on missing flight MH370.

She told A Current Affair she and a friend were ready to board a flight from Phuket to Kuala Lumpur in 2011 when the two pilots asked if they would spend the duration of the international flight in the cockpit.

Ms Roos says they were seated in the cockpit during takeoff and landing and that the pilots even asked the girls to stay a few nights in Kuala Lumpur with them.

"Throughout the entire flight they were talking to us and they were actually smoking throughout the flight, which I don't think they're allowed to do," Ms Roos said.

"I know for the whole time they weren't facing the front of the plane and actually flying.
"[They were] possibly a little bit sleazy. They invited us, well asked us, if we could arrange our trip to stay a few extra nights."

While passengers are not permitted under any circumstances in the cockpit, according to a Malaysian Airlines spokesperson, Ms Roos said she never felt unsafe.

"I don't think there was one instance where I felt threatened or I felt that they didn't know what they were doing," she said.

"I felt like they were very friendly, but I felt they were very competent in what they were doing."

Ms Roos said she was shocked when she saw photos of Abdul Hamid who was one of 239 people on the flight that disappeared en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur on Saturday.

"When I realised it was the exact same co-pilot and not only that but I had met him and I have photos in the cockpit with him, that was quite shocking," she said.
"When I saw all his friends and family posting on his wall my heart really broke for them and my heart broke for the family of the passengers. It's just a really sad story."

Source: A Current Affair

There are photo's but I can't post them.

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This might show it

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article/88126 ... -behaviour

I came across this article about the captain http://www.sharelor.net/1/post/2014/03/ ... mh370.html

Apart from knowing where the selfie was shot, what I thought was odd was the current screen in his impressive looking home simulator. Does not look very lined up
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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:24 pm

Let me see, they are/were interested in women, things that went flying, gadgets, cooking and one on them smoked.
I can relate to that, ordinary red-blooded men. (Except me stopped smoking last September :mrgreen: )
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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Thunder Down Under » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:58 pm

L. (Except me stopped smoking last September :mrgreen: )
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Rooly Rooly. I still like my smokes ;)

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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Not_Karl » Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:01 pm

After several days of speculation, Malaysian police determined the identities of the two passengers and dismissed terrorism by those two as a possible motive, suggesting instead that the false identities were related to illegal immigration.
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Re: 777 Down?

Postby Sickbag » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:26 pm

Was flight MH370 lost in an aeronautical black hole ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... craft.html
In a more radical theory, the possibility of electronic warfare has also been raised following confirmation that there were at least 20 passengers onboard from Texas-based Freescale Semiconductor. Each of these passengers had specialist knowledge of electronic technology for defence applications.
This could include ‘cloaking’ technology that uses a hexagonal array of glasslike panels to bend light around an object, such as plane, according to a report in Beforeitsnews.com.
Other techniques may have been used to jam signals, allowing the plane to vanish from radar detection without its security systems being activated.
‘It is conceivable that the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 plane is “cloaked,” hiding with hi-tech electronic warfare weaponry that exists and is used,’ Beforeitsnews.com wrote.
‘In fact, this type of technology is precisely the expertise of Freescale that has 20 employees on board the missing flight.’
Could the aircraft have been hidden in icloud?
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