777 Down?

An open discussion of aviation safety related issues.

Moderators: el, FrankM, Dmmoore

User avatar
3WE
Posts: 4283
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:37 pm
Location: Flyover, America

Re: 777 Down?

Postby 3WE » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:47 pm

I know you've been searching over here for three days,, but we meant to tell you that we tracked it on special radar to over there....

...Just thought you might like to know.
:roll:
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.

User avatar
Gabriel
Posts: 1666
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:55 am
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Gabriel » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:34 pm

A young woman claims she was entertained in the cockpit for an entire flight back in 2011 by the co-pilot who was on board the Malaysian Airlines plane that went missing on Saturday.
I wonder who was entertained by whom.

User avatar
Gabriel
Posts: 1666
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:55 am
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Gabriel » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:43 pm

Could the aircraft have been hidden in icloud?
Can it be hidden at the other side of the Möbius strip?

Oh, wait, the Möbius strip doesn't have an "other side".

User avatar
3WE
Posts: 4283
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:37 pm
Location: Flyover, America

Re: 777 Down?

Postby 3WE » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:15 pm

Could the aircraft have been hidden in icloud?
Can it be hidden at the other side of the Möbius strip?

Oh, wait, the Möbius strip doesn't have an "other side".
You know, it only really matters if the Möbius strip is infinitely thin, which ain't gonna happen in the real world.
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.

User avatar
Not_Karl
Posts: 2123
Joined: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:12 pm
Location: Buenos Aires

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Not_Karl » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:04 pm

On 13 March The Wall Street Journal said US investigators believed the aircraft had remained capable of flying for another four hours after first disappearing from radar. US officials also said that they expected the search to be extended to the Indian Ocean.
:?
Junior Janitor, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Environmental Poisoning Assurance department.

"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.

User avatar
J
Posts: 1166
Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:33 pm
Location: South of Canada

Re: 777 Down?

Postby J » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:45 am

Rolls-Royce concurs with Malaysia on missing jet's engine data

In other words, they agree the telemetry did not continue hours after the transponders were shut off. Rolls' statement came after "a US Official" had said there is an "indication" the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft may have crashed in the Indian Ocean.


Reuters) - Rolls-Royce said on Friday it concurred with the Malaysian government on engine data, after Malaysia denied reports that a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet may have flown on for hours after it vanished from radar screens.

The Wall Street Journal said U.S. aviation investigators and national security officials believed the plane flew for a total of five hours, based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing 777's Rolls-Royce engines as part of a standard monitoring programme. ()

Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said on Thursday that the reports were not true. He said the last transmission from the aircraft was at 01:07 a.m. on March 8, indicating that everything was normal. The plane took off from Kuala Lumpur at 12:41 a.m. (1641 GMT on March 7).

"Rolls-Royce concurs with the statement made on Thursday, 13 March, by Malaysia's Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein regarding engine health monitoring data received from the aircraft," said a spokeswoman for the company.

"Rolls-Royce continues to provide its full support to the authorities and Malaysia Airlines."

The investigation into the disappearance of the jetliner is focusing more on a suspicion the flight was deliberately diverted, as evidence suggests it was last headed out over the Andaman Islands, sources familiar with the Malaysian probe said.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/ ... IE20140314

User avatar
monchavo
Posts: 713
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:21 am

Re: 777 Down?

Postby monchavo » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:45 pm

One thing is clear: it's been a gratuitous cluster-f*** of a PR disaster by the Malaysians. Never before have I seen such an incompetent group of people, apparently ill-used to pressure. Leaks, conflicting messages. It is awfully shambolic. Get some fúcking media training, you numpties!

User avatar
Sickbag
Posts: 2841
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:10 pm
Location: Spine-fuhrer of Hoboken

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Sickbag » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:34 pm

Never before have I seen such an incompetent group of people, apparently ill-used to pressure. Leaks, conflicting messages.
And you've been a member of this message board for how long?
TRUMP: in-presidency structural break-up
within 18 months...

User avatar
monchavo
Posts: 713
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:21 am

Re: 777 Down?

Postby monchavo » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:56 pm

Never before have I seen such an incompetent group of people, apparently ill-used to pressure. Leaks, conflicting messages.
And you've been a member of this message board for how long?
I don't recall the Brazillians or the French screwing it up so royally after the twat AF co-pilot dunked their 330 in the drink. :twisted: Seriously guys, a smidgen of media training and an understanding of how important it is NOT to bow to media requests for excessive amounts of information.

User avatar
3WE
Posts: 4283
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:37 pm
Location: Flyover, America

Re: 777 Down?

Postby 3WE » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:02 pm

Never before have I seen such an incompetent group of people, apparently ill-used to pressure. Leaks, conflicting messages.
And you've been a member of this message board for how long?
I don't recall the Brazillians or the French screwing it up so royally after the twat AF co-pilot dunked their 330 in the drink. :twisted: Seriously guys, a smidgen of media training and an understanding of how important it is NOT to bow to media requests for excessive amounts of information.
Indeed.

That's almost as important as a good instrument scan including your airspeed indicator and power settings when hand flying and landing...
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.

User avatar
Thunder Down Under
Posts: 261
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:40 am
Location: In the Bush

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Thunder Down Under » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:49 am

Chinese ship has picked up some 'pings'. Also an Aust. ship has picked up 'pings' in another area. There is a British nuke sniffing around out there as well. Mefinks that they may be playing 'wargames'

Two C130's flying out and back over my place in the morning and returning in the evening.

TDU
I don't have a plan........therefore nothing can go wrong.....

User avatar
Thunder Down Under
Posts: 261
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:40 am
Location: In the Bush

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Thunder Down Under » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:49 am

Contact from the Aus ship was for two hours and twenty minutes and then 13 minutes. Ocean depth between 4000 and 5000 metres.

TDU
I don't have a plan........therefore nothing can go wrong.....

User avatar
Gabriel
Posts: 1666
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:55 am
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Gabriel » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:31 am

Ocean Shield (aka Aus ship) made another 2 contacts. 4 in total for them.
In the second one they identified two sources.

User avatar
Not_Karl
Posts: 2123
Joined: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:12 pm
Location: Buenos Aires

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Not_Karl » Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:12 pm

Well, Clarín (in Spanish) confirms :? -according to experts from AJACC and the "blackbox manufacturer", via the Malaysian newspaper "New Straits Times" - the signals ARE :? :? from a blackbox :? :? :?... But it isn't known if they are from MH370 :? :? :? :?.

With all those airplanes crashing in that area in the last 30 days you can never be sure.
Junior Janitor, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Environmental Poisoning Assurance department.

"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.

User avatar
Gabriel
Posts: 1666
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:55 am
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Gabriel » Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:07 pm

Not only that, but Clarín (well, a reader's comment in fact) also confirms that the plane was kidnapped by aliens, offering as evidence crop circles with the Malaysian logo.
:? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

http://periodismoalternativoblog.wordpr ... -cosechas/
(in Spanish too)

User avatar
Gabriel
Posts: 1666
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:55 am
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Gabriel » Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:11 pm

Ocean Shield (aka Aus ship) made another 2 contacts. 4 in total for them.
In the second one they identified two sources.
RAAF AP-3C Orion Aircraft recorded an acoustic signal, likely from a man-made source, in the vicinity of ADV Ocean Shield.

If MH 370 is not there, then now we have a bigger mystery than "Where is MH 370?"

User avatar
Ancient Mariner
Posts: 3646
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:24 pm

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:13 pm

Well, Clarín (in Spanish) confirms :? -according to experts from AJACC and the "blackbox manufacturer", via the Malaysian newspaper "New Straits Times" - the signals ARE :? :? from a blackbox :? :? :?... But it isn't known if they are from MH370 :? :? :? :?.

With all those airplanes crashing in that area in the last 30 days you can never be sure.
Could be whales, we spared a few, trigger shrimps, dead sailors, all sorts of funny stuff.
Per

User avatar
monchavo
Posts: 713
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:21 am

Re: 777 Down?

Postby monchavo » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:50 pm

There's some interesting but baseless speculation about "acoustic arrays" capable of detecting submarine movements. Not explored this particular avenue before in any depth (no pun intended). There's a view that the "splash" would have been recorded by such an array. Interested in the mathematics (and physics) of such a claim.

User avatar
Gabriel
Posts: 1666
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:55 am
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Gabriel » Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:18 pm

Well, Clarín (in Spanish) confirms :? -according to experts from AJACC and the "blackbox manufacturer", via the Malaysian newspaper "New Straits Times" - the signals ARE :? :? from a blackbox :? :? :?... But it isn't known if they are from MH370 :? :? :? :?.

With all those airplanes crashing in that area in the last 30 days you can never be sure.
Could be whales
Yes, we all know that whales like to make 10ms screams every one second, along many minutes and always on the same frequency.

User avatar
Ancient Mariner
Posts: 3646
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:24 pm

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:21 pm

Well, Clarín (in Spanish) confirms :? -according to experts from AJACC and the "blackbox manufacturer", via the Malaysian newspaper "New Straits Times" - the signals ARE :? :? from a blackbox :? :? :?... But it isn't known if they are from MH370 :? :? :? :?.

With all those airplanes crashing in that area in the last 30 days you can never be sure.
Could be whales
Yes, we all know that whales like to make 10ms screams every one second, along many minutes and always on the same frequency.
Intelligent critters, no? Must be a whole family of them having fun.
Per

User avatar
Gabriel
Posts: 1666
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:55 am
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Gabriel » Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:52 pm

Man-made critters, no?
Fixed.

User avatar
Gabriel
Posts: 1666
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:55 am
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Gabriel » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:00 am

Credit to whom it belongs.

Per, you were right:
The Chief Coordinator of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston (Ret'd), said an initial assessment of the possible signal detected by a RAAF AP-3C Orion aircraft yesterday afternoon has been determined as not related to an aircraft underwater locator beacon.
http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2 ... mr018.aspx

User avatar
Ancient Mariner
Posts: 3646
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:24 pm

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:09 am

The ocean is never quiet. http://www.dosits.org/science/soundsint ... monsounds/
In the frequency range of 20-500 Hz, ambient noise is primarily due to noise generated by distant shipping.
Guess how many revs/min a slow-speed diesel's propeller turns when doing, say 5 -7 knots? I'd guess around 60. I'm quite sure those searching are aware of this, just saying that locating the black boxes is not all that easy.
Per

User avatar
Gabriel
Posts: 1666
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:55 am
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Re: 777 Down?

Postby Gabriel » Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:30 pm

Yes, that's why the pingers work in the zone of the 30 to 40 kHz (nominal 37500 Hz, beyond the audible frequencies and hence "ultrasound").

Not that the ocean will be completely quiet there either.

c3sium
Posts: 1
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:39 pm

Re: 777 Down?

Postby c3sium » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:43 pm

Unconfirmed reports that the co-pilot's phone "tried to make a call" in the local press.

"no pings" from the pinger

Search sub been down 3 times, twice unsuccessfully.


Return to “Aviation Safety Discussion Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests