Aerosucre B-727 crash

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Aerosucre B-727 crash

Postby Gabriel » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:44 pm


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Re: Aerosucre B-727 crash

Postby flyboy2548m » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:46 pm

You're excused.
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Re: Aerosucre B-727 crash

Postby 3WE » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:40 pm

You're excused.
Not my place to say it, but Gabriel and his few extra lines of computer code that tell you if you are speeding up ok (that Boeing Bobby and you tend to scoff at)...SEEMS like a good idea as I sit at my keyboard with slightly greater trustworthiness than Kit Darby.

(Even though, after great soul searching, I decided that you and Bobby had some solid common-sense (and maybe NOT in the QRH) procedures to address this, AND ALSO one must also realize that the economics to do that for 727's are bad...)
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Re: Aerosucre B-727 crash

Postby Gabriel » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:59 pm

You're excused.
Not my place to say it, but Gabriel and his few extra lines of computer code that tell you if you are speeding up ok (that Boeing Bobby and you tend to scoff at)...SEEMS like a good idea as I sit at my keyboard with slightly greater trustworthiness than Kit Darby.

(Even though, after great soul searching, I decided that you and Bobby had some solid common-sense (and maybe NOT in the QRH) procedures to address this, AND ALSO one must also realize that the economics to do that for 727's are bad...)
Except if they were intentionally overweight (and playing with the margins to carry some extra pallets and make some extra revenue... then you can just ignore the warning.

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Re: Aerosucre B-727 crash

Postby 3WE » Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:45 am

It appears, there, that they busted off a flap... too bad they couldn't 'just circle a while and retract them'. However, the PSA 182 plane didn't hold altitude either.
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Re: Aerosucre B-727 crash

Postby 3WE » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:59 pm

It seems that YouTube is full of videos of these folks operating from shorter places and places with terrain...

Makes me speculate that maybe they were very used to these operations and that some small thing went wrong... power problem, a little extra weight...

Oh for TOPMS or V-3BS
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Re: Aerosucre B-727 crash

Postby 3WE » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:58 pm

Tailwind...

That is all
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Re: Aerosucre B-727 crash

Postby Gabriel » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:28 pm

Tailwind...

That is all
Yup, pretty much. 4 knots of tailwind explains it all.
So let's get this straight: The only reason why an airplane that should have been able to achieve 35 ft over the departure end of the runway after loosing an engine at V1, didn't loose any engine and achieved 0 ft over the departure end of he runway and maybe 10 ft maybe a couple hundred feet beyond the end of the runway, was because of a 4kts tailwind that was not accounted for.

Sure. I totally buy it.

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Re: Aerosucre B-727 crash

Postby 3WE » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:57 pm

727s have cool flaps.

Probably wise to use them.

But that’s just my outsider ass hat opinion.
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Re: Aerosucre B-727 crash

Postby 3WE » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:21 am

Evanie said AvHearald said a long list of little things added up.

A little extra weight
A tailwind
Rotation too late due to incorrect v speed calculation
Slow rotation
Failure to switch on a backup hydraulic system
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Re: Aerosucre B-727 crash

Postby elaw » Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:06 am

Oh the Swiss-cheese-ity...
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Re: Aerosucre B-727 crash

Postby 3WE » Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:52 pm

Oh the Swiss-cheese-ity...
...and conservative pull ups :-(
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Re: Aerosucre B-727 crash

Postby flyboy2548m » Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:09 pm

Evanie said AvHearald said a long list of little things added up.

A little extra weight
A tailwind
Rotation too late due to incorrect v speed calculation
Slow rotation
Failure to switch on a backup hydraulic system
Thanks be to Krishna, Evanie clarified it for "us".
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