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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby Not_Karl » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:03 am

Wake turbulence damages a house. Isn't there any rule banning houses from flying closely behind big aeroplanies?
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby 3WE » Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:41 pm

Wake turbulence damages a house.
Fascinating.

I wonder if it was really wake turbulence? I guess if the weather was otherwise gentle and you use that speculative method called Occam's razor, you are left with the big, heavy aeroplanie generating a serious $hitstorm by plowing through the air and keeping itself afloat.

Thank you for that most-unusual, but thought-provoking post.

Another reason to ban ALL airplanes!
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby ocelot » Wed May 16, 2018 7:11 pm

(3) it wasn't an uncommanded reverse at all but the pilots did it on purpose, presumably to try to clear the developing condition (in which case wtf? but it's certainly plausible); or (4) the pilots issued some other prop pitch command and the wrong thing reached the engines. Given that the throttles were apparently advanced at the same time this happened, (3) or (4) seems more likely...
Seems to be (4); someone else captured the behavior on the ground and there's been an AD.

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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby Not_Karl » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:51 am

Another case of dangerous cabin odors and fumes: Some days ago, a Transavia flight from Las Palmas to Amsterdam made an "emergency" (so says the media) landing at Faro because of a smelly passenger.
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby 3WE » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:08 pm

It would appear we should ban all overhead bins...Flyboy even concurred, somewhat.

Still, banning aircraft is probably incrementally better.
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby Not_Karl » Wed May 27, 2020 12:19 am

Nordwind A321 nose first, hard landing results in some bent and broken cheap composites. Aircraft went around and made a succesful landing. Interesting bit (apart from the jetphoto of the landing gear penetrating the cabin floor): tempering of the black boxes by the airline and its contractors (moved from the aeroplanie to a warehouse, flown as luggage, installed on another aeroplanie, overwritten, CVR from an uneventful flight installed in bent aeroplanie... :o :shock: ).

East African Express EMB-120 shot down by mistake by Ethiopian forces on approach to Berdale, Somalia.

Aeronav L-410 at Qansax Dheere, Somalia, lands with bullet holes on its fuselage and wings. This aeroplanie survived a mid-air collision with another L-410 in 2004 (the other Let crashed).
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby Not_Karl » Wed May 18, 2022 1:09 am

CS300 uncontained engine (PW1524G) failures with a software update as a contributory factor:
https://avherald.com/h?article=4ce0bb41&opt=0
https://avherald.com/h?article=4cce7a9f&opt=0
A primary contributor to the failure mode was an electronic engine control (EEC) software update that changed the LPC vane schedule and increased the likelihood of LPC stage 1 IBR blade flutter onset within the engine operating range.
Add to that the A400M crash caused by the fuel supply management software, a couple of IrAn-140 crashes where engine management systems were contributory factors, MCAS, pilots fighting automation, etc. and I think we have more than enough reasons to ban ALL computers and software on aeroplanies.
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby 3WE » Wed May 18, 2022 6:06 pm

***I think we have more than enough reasons to ban ALL computers and software on aeroplanies***
Place ITS in charge of all flight training- including human engine management.

Place flyboy in charge of the FAA.

Gabriel in charge of Microsoft Flight.

TeeVee in charge of customer service.

Evan in charge of the Bicycle safety foundation.

Not_Karl in charge of graphics

I will remain in charge of GMO- and DHMO-containing crops and high-altitude glysofate applications.
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby Not_Karl » Thu May 19, 2022 2:55 am

Not_Karl in charge of bans.
Fixed.
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby flyboy2548m » Fri May 20, 2022 3:57 pm


Place flyboy in charge of the FAA.
Anuket forbid!
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby 3WE » Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:36 am

Fire Boeing executives!
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air Not_disasters

Postby Not_Karl » Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:01 pm

SA Airlink Jestream-41 in South Africa. Birdstrike on landing, blade breaks-off and decides to take a seat in the cabin. No injuries. Ban ALL: birds, propellers, seats, cabins.

Norwegian Air Sweden Boeing 737-800 in Sweden. Stopped climb and diverted because the UnAmerican Football team it was carrying had loaded a lot of UnAmerican, round footballs in the cargo bays and the crew feared they might burst due to pressure differential. Ban ALL: UnAmerican Football, UnAmerican football players, inflated balls, cargo bays.
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby elaw » Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:36 pm

It never ceases to amaze me the degree to which the inflation level of sportsballs influences goings-on in the world... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflategate
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air Not_disasters

Postby 3WE » Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:01 am

Ban ALL: UnAmerican Football
Concur!. Of note, we (not you non Americans) are having a real football championship in less than a week including a team from the State of Flyover.

Pay attention.

Sorry to hear about the Jumbo Jetstream.
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby Not_Karl » Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:52 am

It never ceases to amaze me the degree to which the inflation level of sportsballs influences goings-on in the world... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflategate
They should inflate them to 3000PSI, then a couple of PSI less or more wouldn't make a difference.
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Turbulence kills bizjet passenger.

Postby Not_Karl » Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:48 am

Business jet passenger killed in severe turbulence over New England
A business jet passenger is dead after severe turbulence rocked a Bombardier Challenger 300 airplane with five on board over New England Friday afternoon.
(...)
A preliminary report is expected in two to three weeks.
(...)
The extent of damage and the cause of death of the passenger remains unclear.
No words of seatbelt use or lack thereof.
Argie newspaper Clarín uses a picture of a Bombardier Learjet to illustrate a "similar" aeroplanie.
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Antilles DHC6 goes off-roading, crashes with sationary helicopter

Postby Not_Karl » Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:12 am

Veered off the runway after touching down, only minor injuries reported. AVHeraldie with video.
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby ocelot » Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:22 pm

I suspect the only reason this one is different from any other excursion is that the airport is small enough that when you run off the runway you end up on the ramp.

Also, they got off easy in that collision...

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Alaska B738, landing gear punches through wing on landing.

Postby Not_Karl » Wed Sep 13, 2023 3:26 am

Postaccident examination of the airplane revealed that the MLG aft trunnion pin had fractured. The aft end of the left MLG had traveled up, puncturing the composite panels, and protruded out and above the wing’s surface. The MLG walking beam was also protruding above the surface of the wing.
AvieHeraldie entry with PuncturedWingPhotos.

It's clear to us which the actual culprits are. The trunnion pin story is clearly a cover-up.
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2x shortened runway overruns

Postby Not_Karl » Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:17 am

A Malaysian Airlines Airbus A330-300 (...) was departing Melbourne's temporarily shortened runway 34 when the aircraft rotated past the temporarily displaced runway end, the jet blast affected people and objects in the working area past the displaced runway end.
https://avherald.com/h?article=50e9e608&opt=0
A Bamboo Airways Boeing 787-9 (...) was departing Melbourne's temporarily shortened runway 34 when the aircraft rotated past the temporarily displaced runway end, the jet blast affected people and objects in the working area past the displaced runway end.
https://avherald.com/h?article=50e9e456&opt=0

Apart from both flights departing from the same shortened runway, another common factor is both aeroplanies being cheap-composite-crackerboxes.

Proposed solutions:
-Ban ALL cheap-composite-crackerboxes, independent of manufacturer.
-Ban ALL runway shortenings.
-Ban ALL shortenings in general.
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Re: 2x shortened runway overruns

Postby ocelot » Sun Sep 24, 2023 1:34 am

-Ban ALL runway shortenings.
-Ban ALL shortenings in general.
You should ban either runway shortenings or fuselage shortenings, but not both.

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Avion Express A320 goes offroading and drifting at vilnius

Postby Not_Karl » Thu Feb 08, 2024 12:59 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuczlRPxprc
That was AWESOME!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: All landings should be like that. And, to top it off, they floor it after the ride and return it to the pavement under its own power! 8-) 8-) 8-) :clap: :clap: :clap: Killjoy Evanie will sure have some opinions :x
A Boeing product would have completely disassembled itself due to all the missing nuts... :roll:

AvieHeraldie entry with DirtAndDamagePhotos.
An Avion Express Airbus A320-200, registration LY-NVL performing flight X9-8242 from Milan Bergamo (Italy) to Vilnius (Lithuania), landed on Vilnius' runway 19 at about 14:19L (12:19Z) but veered right off the runway onto soft ground, went across a turnoff and returned onto the runway centerline at about 5 knots over ground. The aircraft subsequently vacated the runway via the next turn off and taxied to the apron
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby elaw » Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:17 am

Hmm. A thin layer of water on the runway appears to provide poor braking action. Mud, on the other hand, stops the plane quickly.

Clearly the lesson here is when it's raining, large quantities of dirt should be dumped on the runway to improve braking.
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Re: Interesting (recent) total air disasters

Postby 3WE » Fri Feb 09, 2024 11:52 am

This is our fault. Soft field landings call for a somewhat relentless, but still carefully-measured, pull up.
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