Turbulent Landing
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Turbulent Landing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKBI_bV ... e=youtu.be
This is jolly fierce. Probably the worst I have ever seen.
Comments?
This is jolly fierce. Probably the worst I have ever seen.
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Re: Turbulent Landing
1. "Yes" and "Like"
2. General rule: Winds become less turbulent closer to the ground.
3. Among the worst in terms of approach, but a perfectly acceptable, nice touchdown and roll out.
2. General rule: Winds become less turbulent closer to the ground.
3. Among the worst in terms of approach, but a perfectly acceptable, nice touchdown and roll out.
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Re: Turbulent Landing
Absolute rule: At ground level the vertical component of the air movement = 02. General rule: Winds become less turbulent closer to the ground.
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Re: Turbulent Landing
I hope that no drinks were spilled.
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Re: Turbulent Landing
1. However the lateral component does not = zero.Absolute rule: At ground level the vertical component of the air movement = 02. General rule: Winds become less turbulent closer to the ground.
Rabbi o'Smartass
2. and 10 feet above the ground, where the wings work,, the wind CAN have a vertical component
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Re: Turbulent Landing
One cannot disagree with any of the foregoing statements.1. However the lateral component does not = zero.Absolute rule: At ground level the vertical component of the air movement = 02. General rule: Winds become less turbulent closer to the ground.
Rabbi o'Smartass
2. and 10 feet above the ground, where the wings work,, the wind CAN have a vertical component
3BSmartass
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Re: Turbulent Landing
Especially, but not limited to, the smartasseryOne cannot disagree with any of the foregoing statements.1. However the lateral component does not = zero.
Absolute rule: At ground level the vertical component of the air movement = 0
Rabbi o'Smartass
2. and 10 feet above the ground, where the wings work,, the wind CAN have a vertical component
3BSmartass
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Re: Turbulent Landing
Absolutely tremendous job by the crew, all kidding aside.
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Re: Turbulent Landing
I am torn by:Absolutely tremendous job by the crew, all kidding aside.
The Evan thought: "Isn't there a point when you should just stay on the ground or go someplace else where the winds are better...geemanitly that looks extreme and you'd think there is an elevated risk of some bent metal or tracked up grass/busted runway light..."
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My inaccurate view of reality: "We are professional, highly- skilled pilots and can fly down close to the ground and see if the winds become manageable with an excellent safety buffer and competently do one of those go-around things if not...."
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Re: Turbulent Landing
Agreed! There's a lot of discussion of pilots screwing up on this and other fora, much less frequently do we see credit given when it's due.Absolutely tremendous job by the crew, all kidding aside.
I think credit should also be given to any of the pax who were able to retain the contents of their stomachs.
Edit: and those who had to clean up after those who didn't.
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Cowboy Improvisational Airmanship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuXH1htEhyc
Was this approach stabilized??? I do not think we were on the centerline EVER...still turning at what? 100 feet?
Ok, trying to be a little bit serious- I am a little surprised he didn't do a little better at having a something of a "final approach leg", nor landing dead-on the centerline...just because isn't that what cool people do? Disclaimer: I would confess, it appears to be perfectly acceptable, competent airmanship- he even dutifully consulted the landing checklist- definite atta-boy in the procedure department!
Back to asshattery- should I post this, there with something about Cowboy unstabilized Approaches to see if the trolling gets any bites?
Was this approach stabilized??? I do not think we were on the centerline EVER...still turning at what? 100 feet?
Ok, trying to be a little bit serious- I am a little surprised he didn't do a little better at having a something of a "final approach leg", nor landing dead-on the centerline...just because isn't that what cool people do? Disclaimer: I would confess, it appears to be perfectly acceptable, competent airmanship- he even dutifully consulted the landing checklist- definite atta-boy in the procedure department!
Back to asshattery- should I post this, there with something about Cowboy unstabilized Approaches to see if the trolling gets any bites?
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Re: Cowboy Improvisational Airmanship
Do you expect any other answer than "of course!"?Back to asshattery- should I post this, there with something about Cowboy unstabilized Approaches to see if the trolling gets any bites?
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- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.
Re: Cowboy Improvisational Airmanship
We call that the "simulated Kai Tak arrival", where you fly a beautiful approach to a runway then at the last minute change your mind and land on a completely different one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuXH1htEhyc
Was this approach stabilized??? I do not think we were on the centerline EVER...still turning at what? 100 feet?
Fun fact that I'm sure nobody cares about: a Cape Air flight from HYA to ACK in a plane just like that one is what spurred my interest in light planes and led me to take flying lessons.
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Re: Turbulent Landing
Superior pilots use superior judgement to avoid using superior skills.Absolutely tremendous job by the crew, all kidding aside.
Re: Turbulent Landing
I think it's likely that many lunches were spilled, that was a rollercoaster. Nasty.I hope that no drinks were spilled.
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Re: Turbulent Landing
Yes, very impressive. But it does beg the question - why - surely that amount of movement and buffeting calls for another go once it has died down a bit.Absolutely tremendous job by the crew, all kidding aside.
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Re: Turbulent Landing
We recently had several bouts of weather that brought winds similar to those shown in the video. In at least one case they lasted for a day and a half... that seems like kind of a long time to hold.surely that amount of movement and buffeting calls for another go once it has died down a bit.
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Re: Turbulent Landing
No.Yes, very impressive. But it does beg the question - why - surely that amount of movement and buffeting calls for another go once it has died down a bit.Absolutely tremendous job by the crew, all kidding aside.
"Lav sinks on 737 Max are too small"
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Re: Turbulent Landing
Upon further thought, there tend to be scientifically inspired operational limits that were probably followed here if I were to guess.No.Yes, very impressive. But it does beg the question - why - surely that amount of movement and buffeting calls for another go once it has died down a bit.Absolutely tremendous job by the crew, all kidding aside.
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Re: Turbulent Landing
Then don't take-off. Take-off is optional. Landing is mandatory.We recently had several bouts of weather that brought winds similar to those shown in the video. In at least one case they lasted for a day and a half... that seems like kind of a long time to hold.surely that amount of movement and buffeting calls for another go once it has died down a bit.
Unless it was a totally unexpected and unforecasted situation that the pilot and dispatched could not have been aware of. Which I doubt.
I wonder if procedures were violated there (stabilized approach, max crosswind allowed by the operator, etc...)
Don't get me wrong, that looks like a beautiful display of stick-and-rudder skills (although at the same time I wonder if a good part of the motion is not the pilot overreacting, as it is sometimes the case). But if it was avoidable at all, it should have been avoided. Not only it is dangerous, but it must have been a terrible torture for the passengers.
Re: Turbulent Landing
I wonder if the opposite is true.. Stabilized approach? Max crosswind (including gusts)?Upon further thought, there tend to be scientifically inspired operational limits that were probably followed here if I were to guess.
Re: Turbulent Landing
What is a stabilized approach?***Stabilized approach***
That you were not grossly high and fast and behind on duties and checklists but instead are within a good range of height and speed for most of the approach (or at a declared ‘safety point’)?
OR
Rock solid, minimally deviating airspeed, attitude, heading and ‘glideslope’ with minimal control input effort?
Evan mentality of a written rule or the fundamental of are you fat, dumb and comfortably in control?
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Re: Turbulent Landing
Plot twist: There was no wind, the movements of the aeroplanie are the result of rudder reversals and other monkeying by stupid pilots.
International Ban ALL Aeroplanies Association, founder and president.
"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.
"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.
Re: Turbulent Landing
https://flightsafety.org/files/alar_bn7 ... edappr.pdfWhat is a stabilized approach?***Stabilized approach***
Re: Turbulent Landing
So, the Evanie, Regulatory, Written, meet A, B, C, D, at altitude X...https://flightsafety.org/files/alar_bn7 ... edappr.pdfWhat is a stabilized approach?***Stabilized approach***
Not so much 'comfortably in-control' with fat, dumb and happy margins...
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