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Southwest engine went boom

Postby elaw » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:21 pm

Seems a Southwest Fokker CRJ-2747 had a little engine boo-boo just now: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/southwest- ... m-updates/
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby 3WE » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:12 pm

Indeed- I have seen the jetphotos. Unfortunately they have several photographic issues.

"Passenger partially sucked out of window" and other injuries.

Her hair-do probably did died.

I thought scientific engineers designed engines to not spew parts into aircraft.

Will the normal debate about what constitutes a contained engine failure break out?

Curious if she was wearing her seatbelt per good procedure?

What model of CRJ-2747...the -300, the -700 or the max with the sinks that have hydraulic flow reversals?

Can't wait for the CVR to know if they mechanically recited memory checklists and consulted the correct QRH procedures.

Also curious to know if any significant yoke pull ups occurred.

And I am not 100% sure- is WN on Evan's no-fly list or just almost on Evan's no-fly list? Or is it on there now?

No doubt this is due to shoddy, cost cutting, cowboy maintenance procedures.
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby elaw » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:16 pm

Is "exploded engine" one of the standard reasons for photo rejection there? :lol:
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby 3WE » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:45 pm

Is "exploded engine" one of the standard reasons for photo rejection there? :lol:
In one picture, they cropped off the very tip of the winglet...Also the odds of dust spots and sharpness and over/under exposure and lighting and category...way too high...and what if that aircraft registration is already in the database?
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby Peminu » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:48 pm

This kind of engines explode when you shut off the wrong engine, Or don't they?
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby Ancient Mariner » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:38 pm

Sucked pax did died.
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby elaw » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:43 pm

This kind of engines explode when you shut off the wrong engine, Or don't they?
Uh... no?
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby elaw » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:44 pm

Sucked pax did died.
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:( RIP
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby elaw » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:47 pm

CNN:
Flight information provided by FlightRadar24 showed the plane went from approximately 30,000 feet to 13,000 feet in five minutes.
And... wait for it... pax are describing this 3,400 FPM descent as a "free fall". :roll:
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby 3WE » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:47 pm

Sucked pax did died.
Per
Crap...initial reports cited no serous injuries.

Is this the first ever passenger death on Southwest?

For years they claimed no deaths, but then one of their over runs killed some folks in a car on a road next to the airport.
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby Not_Karl » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:49 pm

1) Ban all aeroplanies.
2) Ban all turbine engines.
3) Ban the French from the aeroplanie industry.
4) Ban ancientliners designed 60 years ago.
5) Ban Southwest.

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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby 3WE » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:02 pm

A news article: "There was blood everywhere"
Jetphoto at Jetphotos: [***a busted window with no blood***].
Gratuitous speculation 1: Gal partially sucked out- BUT someone ahead or behind her got nailed by a blade. :(

Gratuitous speculation 2: A meteor may have hit the front of the engine damaging the containment and turbine blades.
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby Rabbi O'Genius » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:36 am

"Passenger partially sucked out of window" and other injuries.
I wonder whether the passenger was wearing their "seatbelt while seated at all times".
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby elaw » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:17 am

I wonder how much difference it would make? I'm not being sarcastic, I really do wonder.

Unbelted your body gets pulled toward the window, your head probably goes outside the plane, and you get to experience a X00 MPH slipstream, low atmospheric pressure, and below-zero temps. Plus air trying to exit the plane all around you.

Belted you'd probably(?) stay inside the plane, but your head will likely be in the way of any objects trying to exit the aircraft.

Neither would be much fun.
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby elaw » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:20 am

Presumably this is not the case on WN (their flights are still general admission, right?) but there would be some massive irony here if the passenger in question had paid extra for a window seat. :roll:
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby Rabbi O'Genius » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:26 am


Curious if she was wearing her seatbelt per good procedure?

Sorry 3WE, I missed this before posting the same thing :roll:

What model of CRJ-2747...the -300, the -700 or the max with the sinks that have hydraulic flow reversals?

It seems it was not a CRJ but a B737-700 and the engine was a CFM-56
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby Ancient Mariner » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:00 am

A news article: "There was blood everywhere"
Jetphoto at Jetphotos: [***a busted window with no blood***].
Gratuitous speculation 1: Gal partially sucked out- BUT someone ahead or behind her got nailed by a blade. :(

Gratuitous speculation 2: A meteor may have hit the front of the engine damaging the containment and turbine blades.
Blood outside along fuselage, probably hers.
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby Rabbi O'Genius » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:05 am

....... if the passenger in question had paid extra for a window seat. :roll:
They should give discounts to sit in that whole row (or two).
I already have "aisle" as a preference with the travel agents, now I need row exclusions too. ;)
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby 3WE » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:38 pm

Gratuitous speculation 1: Gal partially sucked out- BUT someone ahead or behind her got nailed by a blade. :(
Somehow, I wanted to believe that you can be partially sucked out of a plane and not seriously injured- and initial news reports were not saying much about serious injuries and the inside area by the window looks rather tidy.

Sadly, I was wrong. New quotes in the news suggest basic trauma from getting forcefully and rapidly shoved out a window.

Yes, I switched from suck to shove...fizicysts would tell you that there is no such thing as suction...only shoving from the pressure inside the plane.
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby Gabriel » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:52 pm

As a side comment, she was wearing a seatbelt (there were some comments in different fora in the line of "that happens for not using the seatbelt at all times as recommended")

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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby 3WE » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:15 pm

Temporally inappropriate, somewhat factual video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yG2h1aDB6k
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby monchavo » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:56 pm

Gratuitous speculation 1: Gal partially sucked out- BUT someone ahead or behind her got nailed by a blade. :(
Somehow, I wanted to believe that you can be partially sucked out of a plane and not seriously injured- and initial news reports were not saying much about serious injuries and the inside area by the window looks rather tidy.

Sadly, I was wrong. New quotes in the news suggest basic trauma from getting forcefully and rapidly shoved out a window.

Yes, I switched from suck to shove...fizicysts would tell you that there is no such thing as suction...only shoving from the pressure inside the plane.
Very sad for the lady concerned. Lots of blood down the side of the plane - good spot Per.
Blunt force trauma, being hit by whatever broke the window, by the passage through the window and even possibly made worse by being struck by any other sort of debris when her head was outside of the plane (?)

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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby elaw » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:26 pm

Never mind the force on your body due to the pressure difference inside vs. outside the plane, once you're stuck in the opening.

9 PSI times... what's the surface area of an airliner window? Say the window is 10" x 12", that's 120 square inches times 9 PSI, that's 1080 lbs. of force.
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby 3WE » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:38 pm

Not_Karl: ***2) Ban all CFM-56 turbine engines?***
Not_Fixed as much as asked.
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Re: Southwest engine went boom

Postby J » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:27 am

Here is the ATC. LOts of good teamwork.

https://youtu.be/FkVTdvcghHc


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