MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

An open discussion of aviation safety related issues.

Moderators: FrankM, el, Dmmoore

User avatar
monchavo
Posts: 909
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:21 am

MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

Postby monchavo » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:10 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45027112

Aeroméxico flight AM2431 has crashed.

User avatar
monchavo
Posts: 909
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:21 am

Re: MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

Postby monchavo » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:12 pm


User avatar
3WE
Posts: 5132
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:37 pm
Location: Flyover, America

Re: MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

Postby 3WE » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:48 am

1. So, we have crashed a Regional E-170.

2. We do not crash RJ's very often.

3. And apparently we didn't kill anyone (also consistent with the amazing RJ record).

4. I blame Embraer.

Tomfoolery aside- comments 2 and 3 (and 1) are mostly serious.
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.

User avatar
Not_Karl
Posts: 2576
Joined: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:12 pm
Location: Buenos Aires

Re: MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

Postby Not_Karl » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:32 am

Veered off -and overran- runway. N_K's professional, expert, credential certified, insider theory: RTO after a couple of Vs, but before 3VBS, with antiskid-less autobraking pumping 3000PSI to the brakes. There, I'm confident I solved it. But, of course, meteorite, missile, cowboyism and inexperienced PICs with less than 10K hours should Not_be discarded yet.
Junior Janitor, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Environmental Poisoning Assurance department.

"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.

User avatar
3WE
Posts: 5132
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:37 pm
Location: Flyover, America

Re: MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

Postby 3WE » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:10 pm

Veered off -and overran- runway. N_K's professional, expert, credential certified, insider theory: RTO after a couple of Vs, but before 3VBS, with antiskid-less autobraking pumping 3000PSI to the brakes. There, I'm confident I solved it. But, of course, meteorite, missile, cowboyism, CIA and/or Obama involvement and inexperienced PICs with less than 10K hours should Not_be discarded yet.
Fixed.
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.

User avatar
3WE
Posts: 5132
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:37 pm
Location: Flyover, America

Re: MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

Postby 3WE » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:48 pm

As noted by Not_Karl, this is the second recent incident of pilots using V-3bs to abort, run off the end, break the airplane but not_kill anyone.

I glad to see that pilots are starting to use V-3bs and that it is saving lives.

Next up: phugoid training for all.
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.

User avatar
monchavo
Posts: 909
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:21 am

Re: MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

Postby monchavo » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:21 pm

To paraphrase a person who claims to be an eyewitness

"the plane was taking off in high wind... the plane was pushed to the ground, the engines struck the runway, both engines "fell off", the plane then crashed"

User avatar
3WE
Posts: 5132
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:37 pm
Location: Flyover, America

Re: MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

Postby 3WE » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:30 am

Shall we close this out- Monchie's description + the storm and good ole wind shear seems likely...

Or do we need to use Occam's razor since getting smacked by a meteor is a very simple mechanism?
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.

User avatar
Not_Karl
Posts: 2576
Joined: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:12 pm
Location: Buenos Aires

Re: MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

Postby Not_Karl » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:54 am

Shall we close this out- Monchie's description + the storm and good ole wind shear seems likely...

Or do we need to wait for the final report?
Fixed.
Why did you discardeded a forgotten control lock so soon?
Junior Janitor, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Environmental Poisoning Assurance department.

"I think, based on the types of aircraft listed, you're pretty much guaranteed a fiery death."
- Contemporary Poet flyboy2548m to a Foffie.

User avatar
3WE
Posts: 5132
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:37 pm
Location: Flyover, America

Re: MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

Postby 3WE » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:40 pm

Why did you discardeded a forgotten control lock so soon?
Because of my phugoid credentials of thousands of posts at multiple parlour-talking aviation fora. Because you question my credentials, I say go to Not_Hell to you and I am done with this thread- you have no idea what it is like to sit in a fixed chair in a basement with a toy yoke and turn final in a 750,000 lb virtual 747...

And, because it seems like it maneuvered down the runway, rotated, took flight and stayed greasy side down

(or do we call that underslung-engine-side-down when we try to pass ourselves off as aviation safety experts?).
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.

User avatar
monchavo
Posts: 909
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:21 am

Re: MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

Postby monchavo » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:36 pm

Does strike me as odd that the airframe would travel that far if the engines really did "fall off".

User avatar
Gabriel
Posts: 2026
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:55 am
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Re: MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

Postby Gabriel » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:52 pm

Final report out... and it is a mess from oh so many point of views.

Appetizer? The pilot flying was the person in the right seat who was neither the person assigned to be the FO in the flight (who relinquished his left seat and sat in the jumpseat instead) neither was he rated, qualified or authorized to operate as a flight crew member in this airplane.

I see three persons that should serve some jail time.

(Not that it had any bearing on the accident. Other than not taking off, I don't see that they could have done much to avoid it)

http://avherald.com/h?article=4bbcb11c/0000&opt=2048

(and yes, this is a copy paste of what I posted there)

User avatar
3WE
Posts: 5132
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:37 pm
Location: Flyover, America

Re: MEX: Aeroméxico flight AM2431

Postby 3WE » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:37 pm

***Not that it had any bearing on the accident. Other than not taking off, I don't see that they could have done much to avoid it***
At least at AvHerald, I didn’t read much about improper control inputs or improper or delayed reactions.

Yeah, beatings for all, but...
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.


Return to “Aviation Safety Discussion Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest