B 737-800 in the water in Micronesia

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B 737-800 in the water in Micronesia

Postby Rabbi O'Genius » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:09 am

Presumably Air Niugini is the local pidgin version of Air New Guinea....

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Re: B 737-800 in the water in Micronesia

Postby 3WE » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:24 pm

First impression is that sturdy aluminum alloys are less buoyant than cheap, carbon-fiber composites.

To land short probably requires some cowboy improvisation and deviation from procedures (unless there was a downburst).
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Re: B 737-800 in the water in Micronesia

Postby Gabriel » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:57 pm

http://avherald.com/h?article=4be42f25&opt=0

An Air Niugini Boeing 737-800, registration P2-PXE performing flight PX-73 from Pohnpei to Chuuk (Micronesia) with 35 passengers and 12 crew, was on final approach to Chuuk's runway 04 in poor weather when the aircraft came too low and touched down into the sea and came to a stop about 150 meters left abeam of runway threshold. The aircraft was evacuated, all passengers and crew were able to leave the aircraft. A few serious injuries (bone fractures) are being reported, however, no critical injuries.

The airline confirmed the aircraft landed short of the runway in Chuuk at 10:10L (00:10Z) in heavy rain and reduced visibility. All 35 passengers and 12 crew were able to safely evacuate the aircraft.

The airport reported the aircraft was cleared to land but touched down short of the runway.

Passengers reported the aircraft was on final approach to Chuuk when they thought they had a hard touch down until they realized they had landed in the sea. The aircraft floated long enough for everybody to leave the aircraft and be rescued by locals in their boats.

According to Micronesia's Civil Aviation Department Chuuk features a NDB/DME approach to runway 04 and RNAV (GPS) approaches to both runways (the related charts however are offline as of current). No precision approaches are available. Runway 04/22 is 6006 feet/1831 meters long with a grooved asphalt surface. Both runways feature PAPI lights at 3 degrees glidepath to their left.

Related NOTAM:
A0047/18 NOTAMN
Q) KZAK/QLPAS//////
A) PTKK
B) 1809280300
C) 1809300300[/CENTER]
E) RWY 04 PAPI U/S

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Re: B 737-800 in the water in Micronesia

Postby J » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:05 pm

New Avatar for Verbal? The BBC article has multiple high qualify photos.

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Re: B 737-800 in the water in Micronesia

Postby flyboy2548m » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:29 am

http://avherald.com/h?article=4be42f25&opt=0

An Air Niugini Boeing 737-800, registration P2-PXE performing flight PX-73 from Pohnpei to Chuuk (Micronesia) with 35 passengers and 12 crew, was on final approach to Chuuk's runway 04 in poor weather when the aircraft came too low and touched down into the sea and came to a stop about 150 meters left abeam of runway threshold. The aircraft was evacuated, all passengers and crew were able to leave the aircraft. A few serious injuries (bone fractures) are being reported, however, no critical injuries.

The airline confirmed the aircraft landed short of the runway in Chuuk at 10:10L (00:10Z) in heavy rain and reduced visibility. All 35 passengers and 12 crew were able to safely evacuate the aircraft.

The airport reported the aircraft was cleared to land but touched down short of the runway.

Passengers reported the aircraft was on final approach to Chuuk when they thought they had a hard touch down until they realized they had landed in the sea. The aircraft floated long enough for everybody to leave the aircraft and be rescued by locals in their boats.

According to Micronesia's Civil Aviation Department Chuuk features a NDB/DME approach to runway 04 and RNAV (GPS) approaches to both runways (the related charts however are offline as of current). No precision approaches are available. Runway 04/22 is 6006 feet/1831 meters long with a grooved asphalt surface. Both runways feature PAPI lights at 3 degrees glidepath to their left.

Related NOTAM:
A0047/18 NOTAMN
Q) KZAK/QLPAS//////
A) PTKK
B) 1809280300
C) 1809300300[/CENTER]
E) RWY 04 PAPI U/S
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Re: B 737-800 in the water in Micronesia

Postby Gabriel » Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:30 am

There are seven more forums waiting with breathlessly for you to post this. I hope you won't disappoint them.
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Re: B 737-800 in the water in Micronesia

Postby Gabriel » Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:42 am

One fatality now confirmed. Same link.

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Re: B 737-800 in the water in Micronesia

Postby 3WE » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:59 pm

One fatality now confirmed. Same link.
Sorry to side with Flyboy- but you post this two places, but no discussion...

So what?

Did they drownded or did they died from collision trauma?

Both are sad out comes BUT, the details are relevant questions to aviation fora.

We still have that very remarkable Sully-on-the-Hudson incident with not much beyond cold feet as injuries.
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Re: B 737-800 in the water in Micronesia

Postby 3WE » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:04 pm

And, after reading, it is a rather interesting story.

The procedure of an 'immediate' accounting for 'all' passengers apparently failed as did some sort of underwater drone video search.

However, the procedure of double checking for 'all' passengers did not_fail as did an additional search of the plane.

Still the question if the passenger simply did drownded or was there physical injury or incapacitation may have caused the drownding (or if they did died from some other cause) is not_addressed yet in the article.

Based on recent experiences, we will be waiting for the final report on that.

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Re: B 737-800 in the water in Micronesia

Postby Gabriel » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:22 pm

I've seen news reports from before the body was found that included witnesses saying that the man did board one of the boats.
Assuming that he was not pulled in already dead or severely injured (there was nothing on that on the witnesses account), that tends to discard the severe physical injury version.

At the same time, if he was already on a boat with many other persons, it would be strange that he would fall off the boat and nobody notice it.

Finally, he was found by divers, apparently not_inside the plane, so he came out somehow.

Conclusion: I don't know. It seems to me that the information is not all consistent, which makes it harder for speculation.

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Re: B 737-800 in the water in Micronesia

Postby 3WE » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:06 pm

It seems to me that the information is not all consistent,
Indeed.

Could he have been hit by a small meteor while riding the rescue boat? (Just being a pure ass now. Please smile :-) )
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Re: B 737-800 in the water in Micronesia

Postby Gabriel » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:57 am

Could he have been hit by a small meteor while riding the rescue boat? (Just being a pure ass now. Please smile :-) )
You know, if it is not impossible, then it is possible. And when (if) you discard all the likely explanations, what remains, no matter how unlikely, holds the true.


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