Atlas 767, Houston
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Atlas 767, Houston
News photos of water.
Were there storms in the area?
Were there storms in the area?
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There were lively storms around, but several indications they didn't enter anything that would be significant.***storms***
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Don’t know. Heard it was an Atlas 767 flying for PRIME AIR (Amazon) that was only a few years old.
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In-flight breakup? Sure came down awful fast and spread debris over 3 miles.
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Source?In-flight breakup? Sure came down awful fast and spread debris over 3 miles.
Not questioning you- it’s just that I hadn’t read anything about a 3 mile debris field (instead 3/4)- media not very good at asking questions and relaying useful facts.
I DID see Boeing’s tweet that they are concerned with the safety of the crew. (not trashing the tweet, but that the media felt that it contributed to The Who, what, when, where and why...)
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To be honest, I can't remember where I read the 3 mile debris field. I'll see if I can find it again. I've been on so many sites it's all starting to run together.
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Searching now and found news stories about a 3/4 mile debris field, but can't find where I saw 3 miles. I'm betting the 3 mile report was wrong now after reading some more.
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No foul- so far, I’ve been curious, but haven’t seen anything to support LITERAL in-flight breakup.Searching now and found news stories about a 3/4 mile debris field, but can't find where I saw 3 miles. I'm betting the 3 mile report was wrong now after reading some more.
There were reports of moderate chop, but things seemed rather mundane.
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Some weather concerns at the time but didn't seem like pending doom. Here's the liveatc recording https://forums.liveatc.net/index.php?ac ... tach=10265
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The AVH article includes this:
The plane seems to have been in control until very near the end, with the altitude and ground speed slowly descending until at the last moments the ground speed reached it's all-time-low of 240 kts (I don't know the wind, but it seems too slow for an in-flight break up and to fast for a stall) and the sink rate increased to 7000 fpm.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI ... H/tracklog
Now I tend to think that the 3 miles, if correct, may be due to debris floating and drifting due to wind/currents.In the late evening (local time) of Feb 23rd 2019 the Sheriff's office reported one body was recovered. Joint efforts by the Sheriff's office, the FBI and NTSB continue to recover the victims and the black boxes. The crash scene extends over a distance of 3 miles in shallow waters up to 5 feet deep. Multiple dive teams from the Baytown police, Houston police and Texas Department of Public Safety are working at the crash site.
The plane seems to have been in control until very near the end, with the altitude and ground speed slowly descending until at the last moments the ground speed reached it's all-time-low of 240 kts (I don't know the wind, but it seems too slow for an in-flight break up and to fast for a stall) and the sink rate increased to 7000 fpm.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI ... H/tracklog
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One graphic I saw that was created from data at flightradar24 seemed to show the aircraft descending normally, then a short period of climbing before taking the plunge to the ground. No claims as to the accuracy of the graphic I saw.
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Post rescinded based on the fact it was a post of misunderstood data.
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I see no climbing in the fightradar24 data or plots:One graphic I saw that was created from data at flightradar24 seemed to show the aircraft descending normally, then a short period of climbing before taking the plunge to the ground. No claims as to the accuracy of the graphic I saw.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 1#1f98a1ae
There is an increase of speed at the last moment, not strange when you are falling at 7000+ fpm.
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I didn't word that very well. What I meant was it was a graphic that someone else had created based on data they got from FR24. Based on your link, I would agree it doesn't show any climb just prior to the final descent. I need to do a better job of finding good info sources.
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You know how to fix that, right? (WFTFR).I need to do a better job of finding good info sources.
In the meantime, I appreciate your discussion.
Freak severe mechanical failure,
Bad cargo (explosion/fire)
Disgruntled employee sabotage (my current favorite)
OR
Meteor strike.
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Watching a recording of the NTSB press conference from earlier today. Main debris field is approximately 200 yards long by 100 yards wide. That's not a very big area I would think. They also have some surveillance camera video that shows the plane heading down at a steep angle. They didn't show it, just described it. CVR and FDR not yet found.
Video of press conference here: https://abc13.com/atlas-air-3-killed-in ... o/5154495/
Video of press conference here: https://abc13.com/atlas-air-3-killed-in ... o/5154495/
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Curious feature that's come out today: very little fuel with the wreckage. Strange, because fuel exhaustion alone shouldn't cause this kind of event.
Maybe an uncontained engine failure ripped open the tank and it all vented a few thousand feet up? But you'd need to be phenomenally unlucky for it to get both wings, and I doubt the crossfeed plumbing (even if open) would be anything like sufficient to drain the other tank in the time available before impact.
Maybe an uncontained engine failure ripped open the tank and it all vented a few thousand feet up? But you'd need to be phenomenally unlucky for it to get both wings, and I doubt the crossfeed plumbing (even if open) would be anything like sufficient to drain the other tank in the time available before impact.
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We actually have precedence on 767 fuel exhaustion. It was not a good landing, but neither was it the steep dive.
I’ll give you uncontained control system damage...
I’ll give you uncontained control system damage...
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it was quite a good landing. The plane landed on a runway (well, a former runway anyway), everybody walked away uninjured, and the plane could be flown again 25 more years . It did required substantial maintenance after the landing before further flight, so it was not a perfect landing.We actually have precedence on 767 fuel exhaustion. It was not a good landing, but neither was it the steep dive.
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I am referring to the water landing. Can you say context? Many did died. No one walked away. Plane totaled.it was quite a good landing. The plane landed on a runway (well, a former runway anyway), everybody walked away uninjured, and the plane could be flown again 25 more years . It did required substantial maintenance after the landing before further flight, so it was not a perfect landing.We actually have precedence on 767 fuel exhaustion. It was not a good landing, but neither was it the steep dive.
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Oh, I thought you were talking about the Gimli glider, Air Canada's 767 where they mistook kg / lb of fuel.I am referring to the water landing. Can you say context? Many did died. No one walked away. Plane totaled.it was quite a good landing. The plane landed on a runway (well, a former runway anyway), everybody walked away uninjured, and the plane could be flown again 25 more years . It did required substantial maintenance after the landing before further flight, so it was not a perfect landing.We actually have precedence on 767 fuel exhaustion. It was not a good landing, but neither was it the steep dive.
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The following article discusses an NTSB briefing including remarks from Chairmin Sumwalt:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ree-aboardVideo recorded from a nearby jail captured the plane's final five seconds before it smashed into the water, Sumwalt said in a briefing Sunday afternoon. "It's descending in a steep descent, steep nose-down attitude," Sumwalt said. "By looking at the video, I saw no evidence of the aircraft trying to turn or pull up at the last moments."
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Monchie should probably delete this post for redundancy..."No visual evidence of attempted recovery".
And I don't think we have ANY eyewitness accounts of a "smoke trail/flaming engine"....no mayday call.
I'm seeing a disgruntled loader person, or the jump-seater, or one of the pilots shooting the cockpit occupants and maybe themselves.
And I don't think we have ANY eyewitness accounts of a "smoke trail/flaming engine"....no mayday call.
I'm seeing a disgruntled loader person, or the jump-seater, or one of the pilots shooting the cockpit occupants and maybe themselves.
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News reports are saying the third person on the flight was a jump seating Mesa Captain who had supposedly recently been hired by UAL.
This report says he was texting a friend in Houston about 20 minutes before the plane went down.
https://www.khou.com/article/news/frien ... 7b64424a56
This report says he was texting a friend in Houston about 20 minutes before the plane went down.
https://www.khou.com/article/news/frien ... 7b64424a56
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