Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby Gabriel » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:05 pm

Ok, sure. And it works at high angles of attack when the airfoil is stalled why?
Because stalled (even horribly stalled) airfoils still deflect air and hence produce lift (although if not as much as non-stalled ones) and kites are lightweight.
If you ever experienced a full stall in an airplane, you know that it doesn't go from 1G to 0G, not even remotely close. If it's not 0G, then it is not 0 lift.
Stalled airfoils lift peaks at 45 degrees of angle of attack, but with said peak lift being smaller than the peak lift pre-stall that happens at say 15 degrees.

How does the title of this thread go?

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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby 3WE » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:42 am

[Gabieee Graph]
Does that say that angled flatfish surfaces shove air “down”?

PS- the stall break is still impressive
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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby Gabriel » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:33 am

[Gabieee Graph]
Does that say that angled flatfish surfaces shove air “down”?
I would say that flatfish shove water as they please.
PS- the stall break is still impressive
What that chart doesn't show (but this other one does) is that, while the lift at 45 degrees is comparable to the peak pre-stall lift, the drag is some 100 times higher than that a normal flight regimes, and bigger than the lift itself, giving an L/D ratio (i.e. glide ratio) of less than 1:1, not much better than a brick.

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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby 3WE » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:07 am

A double post, but I suspect better appreciation here.

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2017/02/01 ... tunnel.gif
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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby Not_Karl » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:56 am

A double post, but I suspect better appreciation here.

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2017/02/01 ... tunnel.gif
It seems to create a lot of dangerous wake turbulence, I hope there are strict separation rules for smaller products like cheap-composite-crackerbox-French fries...
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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby Gabriel » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:25 am

A double post, but I suspect better appreciation here.

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2017/02/01 ... tunnel.gif
It seems to create a lot of dangerous wake turbulence, I hope there are strict separation rules for smaller products like cheap-composite-crackerbox-French fries...
Separation rules? That's not enough. Ban all cheeseburgers!

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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby elaw » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:55 am

A burger without cheese is like an airline seat without enough legroom... just wrong. :lol:
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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby 3WE » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:11 pm

Seems to me that a measured pull up was in order.

By the way, I'd prefer to order it without lettuce.
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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby ocelot » Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:46 am

What that chart doesn't show (but this other one does) is that, while the lift at 45 degrees is comparable to the peak pre-stall lift, the drag is some 100 times higher than that a normal flight regimes, and bigger than the lift itself, giving an L/D ratio (i.e. glide ratio) of less than 1:1, not much better than a brick.
I think that's the correct explanation of what I was trying to say before...

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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby Gabriel » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:50 am

Enough is enough. Time to call the experts.

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/kitefor.html

Oh, they say the same I said!

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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby Not_Karl » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:28 pm

Enough is enough. Time to call the experts.

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/kitefor.html

Oh, they say the same I said!
Aren't those NASA guys the ones behind that wacky "round Earth" conspiracy? Surely they also claim that "wings work".... :roll: :?
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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby Gabriel » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:42 pm

Aren't those NASA guys the ones behind that wacky "round Earth" conspiracy?
I believe that the ones behind it are the Illuminati free mason reptilian Zionists, but NASA is certainly also part of that, together with every sailor, pilot, airline, astrophysicist, amateur astronomer, critical thinker, rational individual, and sane person. This small group wants to control the minds of rest of the humanity (with the rest of the humanity being the flat Earthers).

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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby Not_Karl » Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:05 pm

Aren't those NASA guys the ones behind that wacky "round Earth" conspiracy?
I believe that the ones behind it are the Illuminati free mason reptilian Zionists, but NASA is certainly also part of that...
Indeed. And don't forget the Anunnaki from Nibiru.
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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby 3WE » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:53 pm

Not_Karl:
wings work".... :roll: :?
Interesting comment.

I believe that wings do work, but possibly they don't work all that great?

And clearly WE haven't learned much:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Yww9LG3gw
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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby 3WE » Wed May 08, 2019 12:43 pm

I am remiss in not reporting on my April edition of Aviation Typists.

Of particular note is that Peter Garrison writes of wing shapes and inverted flight. I suspect that Peter must be lurking here or there. More evidence of lurking is that I don't think were seeing as many Melmoth articles.

Sam Weigel has an article throwing the Boeing Bobbies of the world under the bus as old pilots retire and the young generation takes over- although even Sammy gets perturbed at the younger children whipping out smart phones to tweet in-cockpit videos.

Not_Karl's uncle Dick played with business jets and took pics at St. Maarten...I was conflicted by a photograph of an aeroplanie and a bikini. Lots of distracting background clutter wherever he submitted the photo.

It appears Les Moustature took the month off to enjoy retirement (He's back in the May issue with some crazy article I haven't read yet).

Finally, and most importantly, is an ad on Page 67 where us guys can order a special pheromone to attract more women. I assume that Dummy and Flyboy and ITS and Boeing Bobby give this place much business.

Oh, and one more thing- the Harbor Freight insert with lots of great deals, a free flashlight and 20% off coupon.
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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby ocelot » Mon May 20, 2019 5:10 am

Enough is enough. Time to call the experts.

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/kitefor.html

Oh, they say the same I said!
You realize that my prior post was saying "yes, you're right, I was wrong", right?

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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby Gabriel » Mon May 20, 2019 5:39 am

You realize that my prior post was saying "yes, you're right, I was wrong", right?
No, I don't. Please explain.

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Re: Are [i]we[/i] comfortable with how wings work?

Postby ocelot » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:06 am

"That's what I was trying to get at, but I screwed up"?


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