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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby J » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:48 pm

Emirates Phases Out Its First Airbus A380, Plans to Retire More

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Emirates Airbus A380 A6-EDB, which joined the Emirates fleet on Oct. 24, 2008, six months after its first test flight, has been retired from the airline’s fleet. The aircraft, which hasn’t performed a revenue flight in four months, was spotted in an all-white livery at Dubai International Airport.

A6-EDB made its last commercial flight on Feb. 23 from Muscat International Airport in Muscat, Oman, to Dubai before being stored at Dubai World Central International Airport on Feb. 28. The ill-fated superjumbo was brought back to Dubai International Airport after a month-long recess on March 25 and bid adieu to the skies after making its last flight over Dubai on May 28. It is one of the aircraft of the model wholly owned by Emirates, unlike others operated on long-term financial lease agreements with outside lessors
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Although Emirates is said to be considering to retire most of its A380 fleet because of impacts of the current industrial turmoil, it would be inaccurate to relate the removal of A6-EDB from the fleet to the pandemic. That is because Emirates, the world’s largest operator of A380, planned the retirement of a few of its double-deckers long before the current situation. The airline will also likely remove two of its aging A380s, registered as A6-EDA and A6-EDC, that are stored at Dubai International Airport.

“You’ll start seeing A380s coming out of our fleet for various reasons, and we’ve always said this,” said Emirates Airline President Tim Clark last year. “These are being dealt with on a tail-by-tail, month-by-month basis under a retirement [schedule] that is well planned already.”

“We are in the process of [starting A380 retirements],” he said at the time. “Two have been deactivated. They are under retirement because we’ve got a major overhaul coming up and it’s best to take the old aircraft out – they’re all written down – and take the gear off them rather than buy a $25 million main landing gear. I need two, possibly three, to meet that [overhaul] requirement.”

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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby Verbal » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:40 pm

Airbus just trucked its final A380 fuselage through a small French village as the world's largest airliner is killed off
Business Insider 06/22/2020
Author: Thomas Pallini

Evenings in the French village of Levignac are about to become quieter as Airbus nears the end of an era for its largest passenger jet.

The normally quiet village in Southern France sits just outside of Toulouse, the manufacturing hub of the aerospace giant. Levignac doesn't build airplanes or contribute greatly to Airbus' supply chain but it's played an important role in the development of the Airbus A380.

For the past 16 years, Levignac has been one of the last towns on the journey for A380 parts en route to the final assembly line where parts from across Europe are pieced together to form the finished product.

After arriving at the French Atlantic coast, the wings and fuselage for each aircraft are transported by barge inland and then over the road on trucks from Langon to Toulouse, bypassing most villages but passing directly through Levignac. The first convoy passed through Levignac in 2004 and the practice continued for 16 years before the last convoy completed its mission on Wednesday.

Airbus is shuttering its Airbus A380 product line following lackluster sales. Less than 300 aircraft were sold and with the arrival of next-generation aircraft, airlines are finding it more profitable to operate more flights with smaller aircraft than fewer flights with larger aircraft.

The final convoy carried parts destined to become an Airbus A380 for Emirates, the largest operator of the world's largest passenger plane.
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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby 3WE » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:29 pm

What is an A380?

(Ok, I know what it is, but we[italics?] are reaching that point.)
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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby elaw » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:05 pm

It's two A190's glued together, one on top of the other. :mrgreen:
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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby ocelot » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:36 pm

Evidently they should have done side-by-side, like the F-82.

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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby J » Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:19 pm

Picture Tour Of Hi Fly A380 in Cargo Configuration

This is the former Singapore plane that was purchased by Hi Fly, a Portuguese wet lease company. It has operated a number of passenger flights and now has had many coach class seats removed for additional cargo space.
That certainly represents a lot of cubic capacity but will also require a lot of manual handling. Imagine loading all that freight via standard passenger doors on both decks - or do they use the stairway for upstairs? Most of the capacity is on the main deck with overhead bins being used as well. None of the pictures or video show tie down features for the floor loads in the modified sections.

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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby Not_Karl » Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:56 pm

Picture Tour Of Hi Fly A380 in Cargo Configuration
Interesting, thanks!
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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby J » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:53 pm

Here is a 3-minute video of the Hi Fly conversion dated July 29. While much of it is not new information, you can catch a quick view of packages secured to the floor at the 1-minute mark and some more loading details around 2 minutes.
Based on the amount of labor needed to load boxes through the passenger doors and, in some cases, carry them around the first and business class seats that were not removed, this seems like a clever way to get at least a few revenue flights while there is so little demand for passenger traffic.


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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby J » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:10 pm

Hi Fly A380 Menaces Portuguese Holidaymakers
Includes rather anti-climatic 1-minute video.

Hi Fly’s Airbus A380 Causes Panic & Joy After Flying Just 230m Above Coastline
Earlier this week, Hi Fly caused panic and joy as it flew over holidaymakers enjoying the beach. The Portuguese charter airline said the performance was planned and intended to raise awareness as well as give planespotters a treat.

The A380, registered as 9H-MIP, flew just 230 meters above the Algarve coastline in a stunt that impressed many keen aviation enthusiasts. The airline’s vice president Carlos Mirpuri reportedly piloted the aircraft in a planned event.

9H-MIP was completing a functional flight check, which lasted just under an hour. It left Beja International Airport at 14:44 local time (UTC+1) and flew over Faro and Vilamoura. Before it left from Beja Airport, it had published an alert on its Twitter account urging lucky enthusiasts to look out for the aircraft as it passed over the Algarve.

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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby J » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:04 pm

Posted on 9/11 14 more A380's supposedly being retired.


Lufthansa to Retire All A380 and B747-400 Aircraft
( Article has photos of planes in storage.)

Lufthansa is planning to retire all of their Airbus A380s, the bulk of their smaller A340s and all of their older Boeing 747-400s. The move would be one of the largest fleet shake-ups of the COVID-19 pandemic.

The unexpected claims stem from a number of unnamed internal sources, who, according to Bloomberg, also believe that there will be a cull of narrow-body planes that feed longer routes.

Although Lufthansa has already confirmed that they will axe 100 aircraft from their fleet, these new fleet cuts would far surpass that number. In turn, the sources have disclosed that Lufthansa will also lay-off many more staff than the 22,000 initially announced.

Lufthansa may keep a handful of younger A340-600s, thus preserving capacity for busier routes, according to the Bloomberg sources. At this stage, no indication has been given that the airline will retire their newer Boeing 747-8i aircraft.

Lufthansa reported a $1.78 billion loss from January to June, marking some of the most abysmal results the airline has seen. The German Government has taken a 20% stake, injecting €9 billion ($11 billion) in survival lifelines.

Lufthansa declined our request for comment.

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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby Not_Karl » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:39 pm


Lufthansa to Retire All (...) B747-400 Aircraft
I predict some repercussions over there...
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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby 3WE » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:50 pm


Lufthansa to Retire All (...) B747-400 Aircraft
I predict some repercussions over there...
Will someone did died from depression?
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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby Gabriel » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:36 pm


Lufthansa to Retire All (...) B747-400 Aircraft
I predict some repercussions over there...
Will someone did died from depression?
I wonder how long will the post be... and how understandable.

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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby J » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:27 pm

Superjumbo problems - What’s an A380 worth?

From the Economist: The world’s biggest passenger aeroplane is going cheap

Aug 13th 2020
HOW MUCH is an airliner worth if it is languishing on the tarmac, and may never fly passengers again? In the age of covid-19 that is the fate of many double-decker A380 superjumbos built by Airbus, Europe’s aerospace giant. Once seen by airlines as the future of commercial aviation, many are being retired early as covid-19 has cast a pall on the future of globe-trotting. Those still in service could be yours for a few million dollars.

The A380 was in trouble before the pandemic. Delays meant that by the time it at last flew it had to compete with smaller, more efficient jets. Only 14 airlines ever ordered the 500-plus seater, with Emirates, based in Dubai, operating nearly half the 242 planes delivered. After Emirates cancelled orders for 39 in February 2019, Airbus announced it was winding down production of the plane.

All aircraft have lost value as a result of covid-19. But the fall has been unusually steep for A380s. The model’s main attraction for airlines was to relieve congested runways at global hub airports. Now these are empty. Fewer than one in ten working A380s are plying the skies, according to Flightradar24, which tracks air traffic. Smaller craft are faring somewhat better.

The aviation industry may not recover until 2024, according to the International Air Transport Association, a trade group. That is a long time to maintain aeroplanes, so some airlines have thrown in the towel. Air France has announced its nine A380s will never fly again, and booked a €500m ($588m) write-down in the value of its fleet. Germany’s Lufthansa has cut its 14-strong squadron by six. Singapore Airlines, the second-biggest operator with 19 planes, plans an ominous-sounding “review”.

Valuations of A380s have tumbled accordingly. The oldest models have been flying for 12 years or so. At that age, aircraft have typically lost half their value. Given each costs $250m-300m to buy when kitted out, airline accountants might have hoped for $125m. But even before covid-19 appraisers suggested between $75m and $100m. Now some A380s are fetching half what they used to be worth, says Usman Ahmed of Aircore Aviation, a consultancy. The slump is borne out by the accounts of investment funds that own planes and lease them to airlines. A fund called Doric Nimrod Air One recently cut the accounting value of its sole asset, an A380 leased to Emirates, by 51% in dollar terms.

The share prices of listed A380-owning funds suggests the residual values of the planes once the leases expire are between $10m and $15m, says Matthew Hose of Jefferies, an investment bank. Given regular maintenance overhauls of each of the A380’s four engines can cost $6m, existing motors in decent nick are, in principle, worth at least that much. Add the landing gear, also in principle reusable, and that would make the airframe itself worthless. It also signals that even the spares—which in modern planemaking are always aircraft-specific and useless for other models—may not have much value.

Struggling operators sometimes convert unwanted passenger jets into cargo planes. But Airbus never launched a freight version of the A380, so the conversion would be tricky. No scheduled carrier that flies the aircraft already is keen on more, even at knock-down prices. The first A380 to fly, which came into service in 2007, has already been sent to the scrapheap. More are headed that way.

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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby Verbal » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:19 pm

Breaking: The Final Airbus A380 Has Been Assembled

by Tom Boon
September 23, 2020

The final Airbus A380 fuselage has been assembled. The assembly marks the end of an era as the A380 program draws to a close just 15 years after the aircraft’s first flight.

It shouldn’t come as a surprise that the Airbus A380 assembly line is slowly drawing to a close. After all, we’ve known about the end of the A380 program for a year and a half now, with some A380s already having been retired.

In February, Simple Flying reported that the final A380 fuselage had made the journey to Toulouse. Well, now the fuselage has finished its initial construction. This means that Airbus’ manufacturing station 40 is now out of work. There’s still a bit of work to complete this aircraft, as many parts still need to be installed.

Nine deliveries outstanding

The final Airbus to be assembled carries the manufacturer’s serial number 272. It is one of nine outstanding deliveries of the A380. Eight aircraft are due to go to Emirates, the largest A380 carrier, while the additional A380 is due to be delivered to Japanese carrier ANA. For the time being, it seems as though both airlines are delaying future A380 deliveries given the current aviation situation.

The end of an era

The initial assembly of the final Airbus A380 marks the end of an era for the Giant of the Skies. Sadly, it will be a short-lived era. The Airbus A380 has quickly fallen out of favor with airlines worldwide, something that the current situation hasn’t helped. Airlines are favoring more fuel-efficient twin-engine aircraft.

The A380’s colossal size is its main selling point. However, it seems as though this may also be the aircraft’s downfall. There are very few niche routes that sustain enough traffic to make the A380 viable, such as London to Dubai and London to Los Angeles. However, given the current wall of travel restrictions, even the latter can’t currently support an A380.

For the time being, the Airbus A380 as a family remains firmly grounded. Only a handful of aircraft from Emirates and China Southern are currently flying. However, the plane itself will still be around for many years to come. Airlines likely won’t be keen to scrap brand new aircraft. As such, those delivered within the past year probably still have some usage yet. It’s more a question of when they will return to the sky, rather than if. It is unclear when this final A380 will be delivered.

Simple Flying has contacted Airbus for comment regarding this story.
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Re: A380 troubles, the latest news...

Postby elaw » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:48 pm

End of an era or end of an error?
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