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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby FrankM » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:05 pm

Next one is dba. The remaining aircrafts will be taken by mother company Air Berlin, the remaining pilots and FAs will be offered jobs at Air Berlin, but at much worse conditions. Anyway, the brand dba will be gone soon.
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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby el » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:59 pm

Next one is dba. The remaining aircrafts will be taken by mother company Air Berlin, the remaining pilots and FAs will be offered jobs at Air Berlin, but at much worse conditions. Anyway, the brand dba will be gone soon.
I actually wonder how long Air Berlin will be around for.

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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby FrankM » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:50 am

I actually wonder how long Air Berlin will be around for.
I hope at least for another 3 weeks, to get me to Teneriffa and back ...
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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby David Hilditch » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:54 pm

Next one is dba. The remaining aircrafts will be taken by mother company Air Berlin, the remaining pilots and FAs will be offered jobs at Air Berlin, but at much worse conditions. Anyway, the brand dba will be gone soon.
Nicely done Frank, I understand dba ceased operations this weekend.

Another one this past week has been Inter Express of Turkey.

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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby FrankM » Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:12 am

Next one is dba. The remaining aircrafts will be taken by mother company Air Berlin, the remaining pilots and FAs will be offered jobs at Air Berlin, but at much worse conditions. Anyway, the brand dba will be gone soon.
Nicely done Frank, I understand dba ceased operations this weekend.
I heard the FAs went on strike to protest against the new work contracts which lead to a bunch of flight cancellations. Which in return lead AB to cease dba operations immediately instead of waiting till the end of the year or so. If I remember correctly, they were down to 9 aircrafts of which 3 will be returned to the leasing company soon. There are about 120 pilots and 180 FAs left.

Other than that, I was on AB last week and have to say they clearly belong to the better ones.
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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby B77W-QOTS » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:18 pm

EAL or better known as Europen Aviation ceased operating on the 1st of December was owned by Paul Stottard.
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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby Procede » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:20 am

Next one to go: SkyEurope. Supposedly they have defaulted on lease payments to Gecas and have only 1.3 million euro's in cash left after making a 60 million loss in the previous quarter.

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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby IntheShade » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:47 pm

So far we've only seen the early departures.

Wait till Jan. 1

That's when it's really going to get ugly.
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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby IntheShade » Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:04 pm

Rumour on the street is that UA and AA won't make it to the end of 2009:

http://www.aanegotiations.com/documents ... tions3.pdf
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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby David Hilditch » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:02 pm

Rumour on the street is that UA and AA won't make it to the end of 2009:

http://www.aanegotiations.com/documents ... tions3.pdf
I can't imagine anyone is capable of making intelligent predictions as far as the end of 2009 in today's world. Assuming continuation of current trends, I think both American and United, based on sub-$100 oil and on what they have already announced re: capacity cuts for this winter, have achieved a measure of stability which will allow them both to survive until the end of 2009. Given something unforeseen, such as a war, $250 oil or a much deeper recession/depression, then all bets are obviously off.

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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby IntheShade » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:16 pm

Given something unforeseen, such as a war, $250 oil or a much deeper recession/depression, then all bets are obviously off.
Unforseen?

I think all three are realities.
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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby Ed » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:39 pm

Oil prices are fantasy numbers

The oil big wigs saw the impending crash of the banks earlier in the year, and decided to bump up their bonuses in the summer, so that they could drop prices now and 'look good'.

When things stabilize, they will jack the oil prices up again to buy bigger silicone implants for their trophy wives.

Has nothing to do with supply and demand. The excuse will be "Oh dear, I see a hurricane in the pacific ocean. It might hit Texas".

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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby IntheShade » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:12 pm

Oil prices are fantasy numbers

The oil big wigs saw the impending crash of the banks earlier in the year, and decided to bump up their bonuses in the summer, so that they could drop prices now and 'look good'.

When things stabilize, they will jack the oil prices up again to buy bigger silicone implants for their trophy wives.

Has nothing to do with supply and demand. The excuse will be "Oh dear, I see a hurricane in the pacific ocean. It might hit Texas".

Indeed. I am paying $1.57 USD right now. I think these are mid 1980's prices. It's all a sham and shell game.
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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby IntheShade » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:05 pm

JPost.com » Iran news » Article


Dec 4, 2008 0:40 | Updated Dec 4, 2008 16:30
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The IDF is drawing up options for a strike on Iranian nuclear facilities that do not include coordination with the United States, The Jerusalem Post has learned.



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"It is always better to coordinate," one top Defense Ministry official explained last week. "But we are also preparing options that do not include coordination."

Israeli officials have said it would be difficult, but not impossible, to launch a strike against Iran without receiving codes from the US Air Force, which controls Iraqi airspace. Israel also asked for the codes in 1991 during the First Gulf War, but the US refused.

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In September, a Defense News article on an early warning radar system the US recently sent to Israel quoted a US government source who said the X-band deployment and other bilateral alliance-bolstering activities send parallel messages: "First, we want to put Iran on notice that we're bolstering our capabilities throughout the region, and especially in Israel. But just as important, we're telling the Israelis, 'Calm down, behave. We're doing all we can to stand by your side and strengthen defenses, because at this time, we don't want you rushing into the military option.'"

The "US European Command (EUCOM) has deployed to Israel a high-powered X-band radar and the supporting people and equipment needed for coordinated defense against Iranian missile attack, marking the first permanent US military presence on Israeli soil," Defense News wrote. The radar will shave several precious minutes off Israel's reaction time to an Iranian missile launch.

In a related article at about the same time, TIME magazine raised the possibility that through the deployment of the radar, America wants to keep an eye on Israeli airspace, so that the US is not surprised if and when the IAF is sent to bomb Iran, a scenario Washington wants to avoid.

The US army sent 120 EUCOM personnel to Israel's Nevatim Air Base southeast of Beersheba to man the new radar.

Last week, Iran's nuclear chief Gholam Reza Aghazadeh revealed that the country was operating more than 5,000 centrifuges at its uranium enrichment plant in Natanz and would continue to install centrifuges and enrich uranium to produce nuclear fuel for the country's future nuclear power plants.

"At this point, more than 5,000 centrifuges are operating in Natanz," said Aghazadeh, who is also the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran. This represents a significant increase from the 4,000 Iran had said were up and running in August at the plant.

The Islamic republic has said it plans to move toward large-scale uranium enrichment that will ultimately involve 54,000 centrifuges.

Israeli officials said last week that the drop in oil prices and the continued sanctions on Iran were having an effect, although they had yet to stop Teheran's nuclear program. The officials said that while Iran was making technological advancements, it would not have the necessary amount of highly-enriched uranium for a nuclear bomb until late 2009.

"There is still time and there is no need to rush into an operation right now," another Israeli official said. "The regime there is already falling apart and will likely no longer be in power 10 years from now."

The IAF was preparing for a wide range of options, OC Air Force Maj.-Gen. Ido Nehushtan recently said, adding that all it would take to launch an operation was a decision by the political echelon.

"The air force is a very robust and flexible force," he told Der Spiegel. "We are ready to do whatever is demanded of us."

On Monday, Teheran dismissed the possibility of an Israeli strike, saying it didn't take Israel seriously.

"We think that regional and international developments and the complicated situation faced by Israel itself will not allow it to launch military strikes against other countries," Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hassan Qashqavi told reporters in Teheran, according to the Press TV Web site. "Israel makes threats to promote its psychological and media warfare," he said.

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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby David Hilditch » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:09 pm

Oil prices are fantasy numbers..........Has nothing to do with supply and demand.
Can't agree with that, Ed. The price is ultimately driven by supply and demand factors. Does it mean that some people and interests try to manipulate the market ? Sure. Is there more speculative investment in oil these days ? Of course. Do markets over-react both on the way up and down and lose some touch with demand and supply ? Yes, to some extent. However, ultimately, the oil price is driven by supply and demand, whatever conspiracy factors may be in vogue.

Right now, everyone is concentrating on demand factors. The supply constraints that people talked about in the recent past, however, still exist. When demand bottoms out, the supply factors will come to the fore again, and the price will rise. The lower it goes for now, the bigger will be the reaction back upwards in a year or two or three.

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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby David Hilditch » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:11 pm

Given something unforeseen, such as a war, $250 oil or a much deeper recession/depression, then all bets are obviously off.
Unforseen?

I think all three are realities.
Anyone can dream up unlikely input factors which could bring down the airline industry, as I did in that previous post. That doesn't mean they're likely or realities.

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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby IntheShade » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:18 pm

The lower it goes for now, the bigger will be the reaction back upwards in a year or two or three.

Gee David, sounds like an economy out of control.
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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby David Hilditch » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:57 pm

Missed this one last week : Lithuanian Airlines/flyLAL.

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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby B77W-QOTS » Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:01 am

http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bi...=ACN&srchsrc=1

Macair here in Australia have gone in administration as of last 2300 last night, flights are reported to be grounded today.
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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

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"We are running an airline not a circus," - Qantas spokeswoman

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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby Verbal » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:50 pm

Indeed.
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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby B77W-QOTS » Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:45 am

Skyairworld here in Australia have gone into voluntary administration and their two E-190's left the country today from PER headed to KUL
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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby B77W-QOTS » Wed May 20, 2009 11:24 pm

Ozjet finished all four B732's up for sale for around $700K AUS

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx? ... tID=142961
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Re: 'Nother one bites the dust

Postby Procede » Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:51 am

Next one to go: SkyEurope. Supposedly they have defaulted on lease payments to Gecas and have only 1.3 million euro's in cash left after making a 60 million loss in the previous quarter.
Took a bit longer than I thought. Telling people to contact their credit card companies is usually not a very good sign: http://www.skyeurope.com/en/skyeurope-s ... operations

At least they still have their Skytrax award up...
SkyEurope Files for Bankruptcy

PRAGUE -- SkyEurope Airlines AS suspended its operations Tuesday and said it has filed for bankruptcy.
...
Source/full story: Wall Street Journal
Central European budget carrier SkyEurope Airlines has suspended operations with immediate effect.
Source/full story: Flightglobal


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