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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby J » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:11 pm

Here is an interesting article with interactive views of the interior of a firefighting 747. Note it has several business class seats.


https://www.wired.com/story/southern-ca ... pertanker/

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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby Not_Karl » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:41 pm

Here is an interesting article with interactive views of the interior of a firefighting 747. Note it has several business class seats.


https://www.wired.com/story/southern-ca ... pertanker/
Nice seat pitch, but worrying lack of IFE...
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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby Rabbi O'Genius » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:02 pm

Found it. It was the Carvair. Ridiculous thing.
The Carvair had rather more than two engines. The Bristol 170 didn't.
.......and talking about Bristol 170s.........

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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby J » Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:24 pm

UPS Commits to Purchase 14 Additional 747-8F Freighters and Orders 4 New 767s
So that is 28 747-8F's and 4 767's.

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ATLANTA, Feb. 01, 2018 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- UPS today announced it has ordered 14 Boeing 747-8 cargo jets and four new Boeing 767 aircraft to provide additional capacity in response to accelerating demand for the company’s air services. All of the new aircraft will be added to the existing fleet and no existing aircraft are being replaced.

The aircraft will be delivered on an expedited schedule, building on the company’s 2016 order of 14 Boeing 747-8 freighters. All 32 of the jets will be delivered by the end of 2022, adding more than 9 million pounds of cargo capacity. UPS’s global airline network includes more than 500 owned and leased aircraft. UPS received three new 747-8 freighters in 2017.

“Our intra-U.S. next-day and deferred air shipments are expanding to record levels, and UPS’s International segment has produced four consecutive quarters of double-digit export shipment growth,” said David Abney, UPS chairman and CEO. “To support this strong customer demand, we continue to invest in additional air capacity, providing the critical link our customers need to markets around the world.”
https://globenewswire.com/news-release/ ... -767s.html

Here is another article with some interior views.
https://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/ ... e-one.html

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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby J » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:00 pm

The 747 first flew on 9 February 1969 a few months before Apollo 11 landed on the moon.

Since the post above 4 more 747-F orders have been placed with Volga-Dnepr and British Airways has announced they will repaint one of their 747-400's in retro livery.

Here is an article discussing its future prospects. - EXCERPT with video of initial flight with 727 in the foreground.


As of January, the worldwide in-service fleet stood at 512 aircraft, including 124 747-8s and 350 747-400s, according to Flight Fleets Analyzer. It shows that 169 747s are still serving as passenger aircraft, with the bulk of the in-service fleet – 297 aircraft – flying as freighters.

Air China, British Airways, Korean Air, Lufthansa, Qantas, Rossiya and Virgin Atlantic operate the largest passenger 747 fleets, although about 20 airlines worldwide still operate passenger-configured 747s.

But more retirements are on the horizon. Qantas expects to ground its nine 747-400s by 2020, and BA plans to park its 34 747-400s by 2024.

"Demand for the passenger version is pretty much over," says Dimitroff.

As a result, Ascend estimates that passenger-configured 747-400s in "half-life" maintenance condition are worth $6.5-9.7 million on the used aircraft market. The type's engines hold much of that value, as engine parts remain in high demand, Ascend says

Half-life condition means the aircraft and its systems are halfway between overhauls, inspections or life limits.

As could be expected, values are significantly higher for 747-8 passenger aircraft, which are powered by GE Aviation GEnx-2B engines. Ascend values those aircraft at $63 million, for examples manufactured early this decade, and up to $105 million for those that rolled off Boeing's assembly line in 2017.

Though 747s have fallen from favour with passenger airlines, the jumbos never lost top-dog status among cargo carriers, thanks to the aircraft's ability to haul huge loads of cargo across vast distances.

Nearly 50 airlines worldwide operate 747s in freighter configurations, including AirBridgeCargo, Asiana Airlines, Atlas Air, Cargolux, Cathay Pacific, China Airlines, Kalitta Air, Polar Air Cargo and UPS.

"The 747 remains unique in its long haul, heavy lift ability," says Menish. "It's perfectly suited for the intercontinental routes where we operate it."

The US logistics company deploys its 22 747Fs (13 747-400Fs and nine 747-8Fs) on routes to major international destinations, with the aircraft largely flying routes to Asia.

UPS's 747-8Fs have capacity for 46 cargo containers on two decks and a range of 4,200nm (7,770km), says the company. The type can carry a payload of nearly 140t – about 19% more than a 747-400F, and all the while burning 16% less fuel, Menish says.

The 747-8F's capabilities enabled UPS in early 2018 to launch a new 13.5h flight between Louisville and Dubai, he adds. And it has deployed 747-8Fs on routes formerly served by 747-400Fs and MD-11Fs, which it has redeployed to other routes, thereby "cascading additional capacity" throughout the network, Menish says.

Thanks to their freight-hauling capabilities, 747 Freighters are much more valuable on the used market, according to Ascend.

Factory-built 747-400Fs are currently going for $18-30 million on the used market, while airlines can expect to pay $10-11 million for passenger-to-freighter converted 747-400Fs (again, assuming half-life value). Airlines need to dig especially deep to get their hands on used 747-8Fs, which will set them back between $88 million and $170 million, according to Ascend.

Despite having secured an enviable place in aviation history, the 747's future seems increasingly uncertain as the sixth decade of the jumbo-jet era dawns. After all, Boeing's Everett production line remains on life support, thanks largely to UPS, which ordered 14 747-8Fs in 2016 and another 14 in 2018. The UPS order "more or less saved the programme from early closure," says Dimitroff. "Longer term, we see continued new demand in very low volumes." Boeing's backlog currently stands at just 24 747s, made up of 19 for UPS, one for Volga-Dnepr and four for unidentified customers, according to Boeing. If Boeing fails to land more orders, and assuming it maintains the current six-aircraft annual production rate, the last 747 will roll out of the Everett site in 2023 – 54 years after the type's first flight.

Whether airlines will order more 747-8Fs remains an open question, and Boeing did not respond to requests for comment about 747 demand. But the airframer expects that in the next 20 years airlines worldwide will need at least 490 new large freighters – a category that includes the 747F and 777F, according to Boeing's 2018 World Air Cargo Forecast. Demand for such aircraft depends largely on the health of the air cargo market. That business suffered mightily following the recession of the last decade but broadly recovered in 2017, when demand (measured in freight tonne-kilometres) jumped by 9%, according to IATA. Despite increasing demand for shipments of e-commerce products, however, the upswing slowed through much of 2018 amid protectionist sentiment, the threat of trade wars and signs of weakening economic conditions. In November 2018, air freight demand was flat year on year, marking the first month without growth since March 2016, IATA reported.

Still, Boeing's report shows optimism, predicting air freight demand will increase by an average of 4.3% per year and that air cargo traffic will more than double in the next 20 years. "While global air freight growth has moderated in 2018 after unusually strong growth in 2017, many indicators show that the air cargo market is fundamentally well positioned to sustain the growth momentum at or above the long-term trend," says Boeing's forecast. To keep 747 production alive, however, Boeing must convert those rosy forecast figures into firm orders. Barring that, production may indeed be nearing an end. Even so, the 747 era seems nowhere near over, as the jumbo's cargo abilities give it a modicum of job security.

Ascend estimates that in 2037, airlines will still operate 175 747s. The bulk of those (115) will be 747-8Fs, but some 747-400Fs and a handful of passenger-configured 747-8s will still be flying, Ascend predicts. If Boeing does halt production, airlines will likely extend the service lives of their 747-8s beyond the typical lifespan of 25-30 years, Dimitroff says.
"There is no equivalent replacement," he says.


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... rs-455144/

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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby ocelot » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:15 pm

According to something I saw the other day in Chinese internet slang "748" means roughly "go to hell". If that's actually true, Boeing's been selling into quite a headwind...

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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby J » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:34 pm

Bring Over American Cash
Was the slang name of the airline during the time the UK welcomed hard currency to beef up their economy. In celebration of the 100th anniversary of the predecessor company BOAC has repainted one of their 747's in the classic livery with Speedbird tail.
Article, photographs and video of plane taxing at LHR.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/brit ... index.html

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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby J » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:29 pm

Dive Bahrain, a new underwater theme park, is installing a submerged 747 - at least they pulled off the engines first. Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO026G1 ... tion=share

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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby 3WE » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:21 pm

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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby J » Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:03 pm

BA just retired theirs and here is an image of Quantas' last 747 flight. :|


https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1286662660898066433?s=09

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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby Gabriel » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:21 pm

Not many airlines left still operating pax 747s...

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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby flyboy2548m » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:27 pm

Not many airlines left still operating pax 747s...
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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby Not_Karl » Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:41 am

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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby monchavo » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:47 pm

Here is an interesting article with interactive views of the interior of a firefighting 747. Note it has several business class seats.


https://www.wired.com/story/southern-ca ... pertanker/
https://matterport.com/industries/galle ... upertanker


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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby elaw » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:35 pm

Here is an interesting article with interactive views of the interior of a firefighting 747. Note it has several business class seats.


https://www.wired.com/story/southern-ca ... pertanker/
And unlimited beverage service. :mrgreen:
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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby J » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:20 pm

Cathay Pacific 747 abused for foolish movie I would think an A380 would have been more spectacular and certainly not more expensive than a retired 747-200F (Article includes video clips of the stunt)

While Christopher Nolan’s latest (and 11th) film, Tenet, hit the cinemas a couple of months ago, some on-site footage from the shoot has just surfaced. And it’s a treat for aviation enthusiasts. Or, perhaps not, depending on how sensitive you are to airplanes getting hurt.

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Christopher Nolan is described as “doing nothing by halves.” Meanwhile, in the age of computer-generated images and green screens, even for him, crashing an actual 747 into a building is unexpectedly real and hands-on. However, it turned out to be cheaper to buy an actual jumbo jet rather than construct miniatures and use CGI for the scene.

The director has disclosed that he came across a plane boneyard with hundreds of stored planes while scouting filming locations near Victorville in California. This would be the Victorville Southern California Logistics. After crunching the numbers, he and the production team decided the only sensible thing to do was to blow up an actual plane rather than an intended miniature.

Nolan’s spy-thriller 747-200F was given a fake registration number, LN-WTJK, and was painted with the livery of a fictional airline called Norskfreight. In another lifetime, the freighter aircraft was known as B-HMD and belonged to Cathay Pacific.

Cathay took delivery of its very first 747 in July 1979. It has operated no less than 64 Boeing 747s historically, and it continues to maintain a fleet of 20 of the quadjet freighters. Meanwhile, it has only had four 747-200Fs. The aircraft in question was withdrawn from use in March 2009. After ten years in the desert, the 40-odd-year-old plane met a somewhat more dramatic end than many of its peers.


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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby Not_Karl » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:49 pm

:cry:
I would think an A380 would have been more spectacular and certainly not more expensive than a retired 747-200F (Article includes video clips of the stunt)
Maybe its cheap composites would have snapped, delaminated, collapsed, disintegrated on contact with the hangar, leaving it intact...
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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby 3WE » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:26 am

Where was the marshal dude with wands who is multi tasking plane-parking with telling rampies where the forklift is?
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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby flyboy2548m » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:04 pm


Nolan’s spy-thriller 747-200F was given a fake registration number, LN-WTJK.
As in "what a joke"?
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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby Mr. Snappy » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:48 pm

747 Boeing is inferior American aircraft, made by inferior American capitalists
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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby J » Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:52 pm

Now up for bid: Parts from Delta Air Lines’ last Boeing 747

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But if you want your own piece of a 747 (I proudly own a piece of United’s last 747) Delta Air Lines is here to help. The carrier is using eBay to sell off everything from the tail number and USA flag section (currently at $950) to an emergency hatch (currently at $200).

If you’re an aviation geek in general or a 747 lover specifically, this is the dream sale, with 250 items up for bid and prices to fit every budget. Below are my top 10 auction picks. Please note that prices were current as of press time.


Article Includes Images of:
Piece of fuselage skin with "Farewell Tour" logo
Coach Seats
First Class Seat Compartment
Wheel Hub made into coffee table
Pax Window Frame
Small Galley
Overhead Bin
Exit Sign
Delta logo coat hangers
NW Slide Raft Rescue Kit

https://thepointsguy.com/news/detla-las ... ow-to-bid/

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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby Not_Karl » Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:29 am

Nice!
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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby J » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:00 pm

Atlas Air Worldwide Orders Four New Boeing 747-8 Freighters

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PURCHASE, N.Y., Jan. 12, 2021 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc. (Nasdaq: AAWW) announced today it has ordered four new Boeing 747-8 freighters in a transaction that furthers the company’s strategic growth plan. The aircraft will enable the company to meet strong customer demand in the airfreight market, particularly the fast-growing e-commerce and express sectors.

The company’s business model provides the flexibility to operate these new aircraft for customers or take advantage of dry-leasing opportunities through its Titan Aviation Leasing subsidiary.


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/atlas-ai ... 00187.html

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Postby elaw » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:26 pm

Seems like that might be related to this? https://www.atlasairworldwide.com/2016/ ... t-service/
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Re: Boeing 747: It just keeps going and going...

Postby J » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:04 pm

Reference the Atlas purchase discussed above, the following article states these are the last 747-8's to be manufactured.

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Boeing today confirmed that Atlas Air had agreed to purchase four 747-8 freighters. The aircraft will be delivered by 2022, as that is when Boeing is currently seeking to end production of the Queen of the Skies. The US manufacturer confirmed that these would be the last four 747-8s to roll off the production line.

https://simpleflying.com/atlas-air-boeing-747-purchase/


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