You mean I need to look youtube videos or have 30 years of airliner repair experience to note that the nose of the plane is burnt?Noted. Is that from two airline mechanic youtube videos or is it just your own opinion backed by decades of airliner repair experience?
If the first 30 ft of the plane can be economically cut clean and replaced, then it can be saved. So it can't.
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You mean I need to look youtube videos or have 30 years of airliner repair experience to note that the nose of the plane is burnt?Noted. Is that from two airline mechanic youtube videos or is it just your own opinion backed by decades of airliner repair experience?
If the first 30 ft of the plane can be economically cut clean and replaced, then it can be saved. So it can't.
I was more curious what orifice you pulled the 30ft figure from. Why not 27? Why not 40?
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It was a generic ballpark number, it's accuracy was not central to the idea being conveyed.You mean I need to look youtube videos or have 30 years of airliner repair experience to note that the nose of the plane is burnt?
Noted. Is that from two airline mechanic youtube videos or is it just your own opinion backed by decades of airliner repair experience?
I was more curious what orifice you pulled the 30ft figure from. Why not 27? Why not 40?
You can replace the 30 with 27, 40 or "a large section going from the nose cone to somewhere around the L1/R1 doors" and the idea is the same. Said section can't be economically cut clean and replaced. The plane is a write-off.
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Flyboy, I don't think Gabe is getting all that technical...maybe a few more wiggle words in his statements ~30 ft and perhaps there have been SOME instances of replacing front sections...
Quote = Gabriel with some 3BS embellishment.
If...economical...then it can be saved....if not...it can't.
[in general, anyway]
I would worry that all of the electronics and wiring that goes with a cockpit might tip that economic scale a bit...
Conversely, I always liked putting ALL the fertilizer out preflood with ground equipment and saving the application cost of post-flood aerial supplemental fertilizer- but there's some yield loss when you do- so we have crop dusters making spooky long takeoff runs and slow climbs.
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Thanks for the clarification. I'll relay the information to Lufthansa Technik, thankfully they have an office at FLL.It was a generic ballpark number, it's accuracy was not central to the idea being conveyed.
You mean I need to look youtube videos or have 30 years of airliner repair experience to note that the nose of the plane is burnt?
I was more curious what orifice you pulled the 30ft figure from. Why not 27? Why not 40?
You can replace the 30 with 27, 40 or "a large section going from the nose cone to somewhere around the L1/R1 doors" and the idea is the same. Said section can't be economically cut clean and replaced. The plane is a write-off.
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Don't bother. They already know.Thanks for the clarification. I'll relay the information to Lufthansa Technik, thankfully they have an office at FLL.
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Thai Airways A340-600s Could Resume Service After A Five-Year Pattaya Rest
A five-year rest in a Thai beach town may be idyllic, but not for the six Thai Airways A340-600s parked at Pattaya’s U-Tapao airport 147km outside of Bangkok accumulating maintenance charges while awaiting a buyer for the unpopular aircraft. Instead, the Thai government is now advising the flag carrier to consider putting the A340-600s back into service after updating the cabin interior.
That would bring better airframe ownership economics than selling the aircraft and buying new ones, the government suggests. Thai management has been evaluating fleet options since its board rejected in September a long-sought plan to buy 38 aircraft. Amidst increasing public scrutiny of the flag carrier’s US$3.2 billion debt and growing losses this year, the board wants to reduce upfront costs and initially told management to explore leasing and if all proposed aircraft are still needed.
The new suggestion from Deputy Minister of Transport Thaworn Sennam is that Thai should assess retrofitting the A340-600s with new interiors and then flying them on long-haul routes, according to Thai paper Manager Daily. Thai withdrew its last A340-600 from service in March 2015. Thaworn did not say if all six parked aircraft should be re-activated.
Thaworn’s plan would reverse the previous reversal. Thai planned to operate the A340-600s into the 2020s, but in 2015 accelerated their retirement. Thai’s A340-600s were delivered between 2005 and 2008, making them mid-life. Thai owns the aircraft and planned to sell them, as well as two A340-500s it also withdrew from service. Thai expected to sign a contract in July to sell the eight A340s to an unspecified US company for upwards of US$149 million. Thaworn did not say what happened to the sale, but that the A340-500 disposal should continue.
A return to service for the A340-600 poses significant operating economic hurdles. The aircraft need their interior updated for Thai to have a chance of generating quality yields. Thai’s A340-600s are in their original configuration, which includes angled lie-flat seats without direct aisle access in business class. Thai’s newer planes – A380s, A350s and 777-300ERs – have lie-flat business class seats with direct aisle access.
Thaworn says the A340-600 needs a retrofit to suit passenger needs. While the overall A340-600 return to service plan raises questions, the government at least acknowledges one of Thai’s ailments: it has struggled to command a yield premium due to old interiors and an inconsistent product proposition. But changing aircraft interiors can take over a year from procurement to manufacturing and finally installation, all at a high cost. By the time the aircraft could enter service with refreshed dressings, the aircraft will pass mid-life.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 65808f7fc7
A five-year rest in a Thai beach town may be idyllic, but not for the six Thai Airways A340-600s parked at Pattaya’s U-Tapao airport 147km outside of Bangkok accumulating maintenance charges while awaiting a buyer for the unpopular aircraft. Instead, the Thai government is now advising the flag carrier to consider putting the A340-600s back into service after updating the cabin interior.
That would bring better airframe ownership economics than selling the aircraft and buying new ones, the government suggests. Thai management has been evaluating fleet options since its board rejected in September a long-sought plan to buy 38 aircraft. Amidst increasing public scrutiny of the flag carrier’s US$3.2 billion debt and growing losses this year, the board wants to reduce upfront costs and initially told management to explore leasing and if all proposed aircraft are still needed.
The new suggestion from Deputy Minister of Transport Thaworn Sennam is that Thai should assess retrofitting the A340-600s with new interiors and then flying them on long-haul routes, according to Thai paper Manager Daily. Thai withdrew its last A340-600 from service in March 2015. Thaworn did not say if all six parked aircraft should be re-activated.
Thaworn’s plan would reverse the previous reversal. Thai planned to operate the A340-600s into the 2020s, but in 2015 accelerated their retirement. Thai’s A340-600s were delivered between 2005 and 2008, making them mid-life. Thai owns the aircraft and planned to sell them, as well as two A340-500s it also withdrew from service. Thai expected to sign a contract in July to sell the eight A340s to an unspecified US company for upwards of US$149 million. Thaworn did not say what happened to the sale, but that the A340-500 disposal should continue.
A return to service for the A340-600 poses significant operating economic hurdles. The aircraft need their interior updated for Thai to have a chance of generating quality yields. Thai’s A340-600s are in their original configuration, which includes angled lie-flat seats without direct aisle access in business class. Thai’s newer planes – A380s, A350s and 777-300ERs – have lie-flat business class seats with direct aisle access.
Thaworn says the A340-600 needs a retrofit to suit passenger needs. While the overall A340-600 return to service plan raises questions, the government at least acknowledges one of Thai’s ailments: it has struggled to command a yield premium due to old interiors and an inconsistent product proposition. But changing aircraft interiors can take over a year from procurement to manufacturing and finally installation, all at a high cost. By the time the aircraft could enter service with refreshed dressings, the aircraft will pass mid-life.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 65808f7fc7
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HiFly - who recently removed seats to make the world's first freight A380 has now modified one of its A340s. The article said they'd also modified an A330.
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Lufthansa has permanently parked their A340-600's but ,
A New Coat Of Paint Shows Lufthansa’s Commitment To The A340
While it is looking increasingly likely that Lufthansa’s Airbus A340-600 aircraft won’t return to the skies, the same cannot be said for the -300 fleet. IAC has just finished painting one of the airline’s Airbus A340-300s in Dublin, a good sign for the fleet.
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Aircraft paint company IAC has just finished repainting one of Lufthansa’s Airbus A340–300 aircraft in Dublin. While it may seem like a nonevent, the fact that Lufthansa has repainted the aircraft shows its commitment to the type.
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It is simply not cost-effective for the low-cost carrier to repaint its fleet just for a new look. While Lufthansa is not a low-cost carrier, it will still save all the money it can given the ongoing pandemic. As a result, it would make no sense for the airline to splash out on a new paint scheme for an aircraft it didn’t know would hang around.
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Unfortunately, things don’t look rosy for the -600, known for its under-deck toilets. Towards the start of the crisis, Lufthansa flew the majority of the fleet to Teruel in Spain. At the time, the airline said that the fleet wouldn’t return for at least a year to a year and a half.
In the past year, the position appears to have changed slightly. Instead of removing aircraft from storage, the airline is sending even more planes to the Spanish aircraft nursery. In a recent talk given by Lufthansa’s CEO, Carsten Spohr, he said,
“We took four-engine aircraft out, we grounded the whole A380 fleet. We took the A340-600 out and we don’t plan to bring them back into the air. So there’s a significant fleet modernization happening by the fact that we’re now a smaller airline and, therefore, can just by the pure nature of the math behind it, modernize our fleet faster.”
https://simpleflying.com/lufthansa-airb ... ommitment/
A New Coat Of Paint Shows Lufthansa’s Commitment To The A340
While it is looking increasingly likely that Lufthansa’s Airbus A340-600 aircraft won’t return to the skies, the same cannot be said for the -300 fleet. IAC has just finished painting one of the airline’s Airbus A340-300s in Dublin, a good sign for the fleet.
# # #
Aircraft paint company IAC has just finished repainting one of Lufthansa’s Airbus A340–300 aircraft in Dublin. While it may seem like a nonevent, the fact that Lufthansa has repainted the aircraft shows its commitment to the type.
# # #
It is simply not cost-effective for the low-cost carrier to repaint its fleet just for a new look. While Lufthansa is not a low-cost carrier, it will still save all the money it can given the ongoing pandemic. As a result, it would make no sense for the airline to splash out on a new paint scheme for an aircraft it didn’t know would hang around.
# # #
Unfortunately, things don’t look rosy for the -600, known for its under-deck toilets. Towards the start of the crisis, Lufthansa flew the majority of the fleet to Teruel in Spain. At the time, the airline said that the fleet wouldn’t return for at least a year to a year and a half.
In the past year, the position appears to have changed slightly. Instead of removing aircraft from storage, the airline is sending even more planes to the Spanish aircraft nursery. In a recent talk given by Lufthansa’s CEO, Carsten Spohr, he said,
“We took four-engine aircraft out, we grounded the whole A380 fleet. We took the A340-600 out and we don’t plan to bring them back into the air. So there’s a significant fleet modernization happening by the fact that we’re now a smaller airline and, therefore, can just by the pure nature of the math behind it, modernize our fleet faster.”
https://simpleflying.com/lufthansa-airb ... ommitment/
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Why do we know it for their location and Not_their size?Lufthansa has permanently parked their A340-600's but
Unfortunately, things don’t look rosy for the -600, known for its under-deck toilets.
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