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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby J » Wed May 28, 2014 8:37 pm

UPDATE 1-Boeing 787 receives U.S. approval for extended operations

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May 28 (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration on Wednesday approved extended operations for Boeing's 787 Dreamliner, a move that will allow a wider range of routes and that marks a vote of confidence in the high-tech jet at a time of renewed scrutiny.

The approval, known as ETOPS, will allow airlines to fly routes that are up to 330 minutes, or 5-1/2 hours, away from a landing field, versus the 180-minute, or three-hour, limit in place since the Dreamliner was launched in 2011.

"Granting of the expanded operational permission will allow airlines to introduce additional routes after they meet the proof of capabilities requirements and receive approval from their own regulatory agencies," Boeing said.

The FAA approval formally applies only to U.S. carriers, and within that group only United Airlines now operates the 787. But regulators in other countries typically follow the FAA's lead. Airlines apply their own rules for extended operations and could take time to actually begin flying those routes.

"Airline approval is a completely different process and it can vary airline by airline," said Boeing spokeswoman Lori Gunter.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/28/usa-boeing-faa-idUSL1N0OE1HE20140528

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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby 666 » Wed May 28, 2014 10:33 pm

Those batteries better burn slowly then.

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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby J » Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:07 pm

U.K. safety agency confirms Ethiopian 787 fire caused by pinched battery wiring

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A report by a U.K. safety agency Wednesday confirms the cause of the fire inside an Ethiopian Airlines 787 Dreamliner parked at Heathrow last July.

A battery inside a small locator beacon was installed incorrectly, with crossed wires pinched between the device case and the coverplate, causing a short circuit.

The update to the ongoing investigation shows that the supplier of the beacon, Honeywell, identified this precise installation problem and the potential for crossed wires six months earlier and modified the assembly instructions to prevent it from happening in the future.

Yet Honeywell did not inspect the devices already in service or even communicate the issue to aircraft operators and manufacturers.

The report suggests that the fact that it was a Dreamliner that caught fire was bad luck for the troubled program, not the fault of Boeing.

At the time of the incident, there were approximately 3,650 identical batteries in service, “fitted to numerous aircraft types.” There were a further 2,900 very similar batteries in service on other aircraft.

No previous in-service overheating incidents had occurred.
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The investigation update by the U.K.’s Air Accident Investigations Branch (AAIB) also points out that the battery involved was a non-rechargeable lithium metal battery, not the lithium-ion type used in the 787’s two main batteries.

http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2023871038_787firexml.html

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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby J » Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:16 pm

How The Boeing 787 Enabled Hainan Airlines' Beijing-Boston Flight

Between June 9 and June 20, four airlines inaugurated flights from the U.S. to China and Hong Kong, with two of the flights made possible by deliveries of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.

On June 9, United began thrice weekly 787 service between San Francisco and Chengdu, the first commercial aviation flight ever between North American and the interior to China. “We couldn’t do the flight without the 787,” said Walter Dias, United managing director for Greater China & Korea. “It opens up possibilities that were not here 10 years ago.” The flight is 6,857 miles.

On June 20, the Chinese carrier Hainan Airlines began four-times-a-week 787 service between Beijing and Boston, a 6,737 flight that passes over the North Pole. (Late summer service will be daily.) “The 787 is made for Boston,” said Joel M. Chusid, US executive director for Hainan.

On June 11, American began service from Dallas to Hong Kong and Shanghai; on June 16, Delta launched Seattle-Hong Kong service.

“Boston was the top U.S. market that did not have service to China,” Chusid said. “We’ve been talking to Boston for approaching eight years. The primary reason we didn’t start sooner was the lack of aircraft availability. We have the (Airbus) A340, but it was not well suited to Boston-Beijing. It’s too big.” [Gee, I wonder if that is also a problem for the A280?]



http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/06/22/how-the-boeing-787-enabled-hainan-airlines-boston-beijing-flight/

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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby reubee » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:54 am

Air NZ takes legal delivery of first 787-9, only 10 years and 28 days after ordering ... http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press-re ... haul-fleet
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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby Ancient Mariner » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:59 am

reubee wrote:Air NZ takes legal delivery of first 787-9, only 10 years and 28 days after ordering ... http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press-re ... haul-fleet


19 years and 337 days more and they would have received a classic.
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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby tds » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:36 pm

Looks like a false alarm rather than another actual fire, but not confirmed yet:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/s ... ng-glasgow

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J wrote:Here is some 787 Porn

Fap fap fap.
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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby 3WE » Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:55 am

J wrote:Here is some 787 Porn


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYbM-3E11Qo


I have seen news articles referencing this video all over www.internet.com.

I guess they all picked this up from J's post on this extremely relevant forum.
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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby J » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:02 pm

More images of that test flight. You can choose three different view including #2, the flight deck. Based on all the inputs they must have been getting a little close to stall at some points.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Boeing/ChooseYourView

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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby 3WE » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:53 am

Well, I guess they didn't put the pax up in tents or whatever,, so no big deal here...

DUBLIN (Reuters) - A Boeing 787 Dreamliner en route from Mexico City to Paris made an emergency landing at Ireland's Shannon Airport on Monday and all 193 people on board disembarked safely, a spokesman for the airport said on Monday.

Mexico's Aeromexico said in a statement that an alert in the cargo hold of the flight caused it to divert, and a spokesperson later added there was no fire on the plane.

The Shannon Airport spokesman said crews on the ground were planning to inspect the Aeromexico plane. He declined to comment on what caused the plane to make the emergency landing.

A Boeing spokesperson declined to answer questions about the incident and directed questions to Aeromexico.

While Aeromexico said there was no fire in this case, the Dreamliner has a history of electrical systems overheating. Regulators grounded the worldwide 787 fleet in January 2013 after lithium-based batteries overheated on two jets in two separate incidents in less than two weeks, prompting a full-scale U.S. investigation.

Boeing modified the battery system and installed steel boxes around the batteries to contain fire and allow smoke and fumes to vent outside the aircraft.

In April 2013, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration allowed the 787 to resume service and other regulators followed. The root cause of battery overheating was never determined.
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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby Sickbag » Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:00 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 62014.html

An air accident report into a fire on a plane at Heathrow two years ago has revealed that it was triggered by trapped battery wires.
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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby Ancient Mariner » Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:19 am

Sickbag wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/dreamliner-787-heathrow-fire-may-have-been-caused-by-short-circuit-10462014.html

An air accident report into a fire on a plane at Heathrow two years ago has revealed that it was triggered by trapped battery wires.



I remember many moons ago, on the original AD.com, that when I had the gall to comment on the shoddy installation of wires in an Boeing something I was promptly shot down in flames.
Maybe I was not too far off the mark.
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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby J » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:00 pm

Here is an interesting video article about the 787 test rig being shut down after 165,000 cycles representing about 6 lifetimes of the typical long range aircraft.

http://www.king5.com/story/tech/science/aerospace/2015/12/01/testing-the-787-looking-for-cracks/76639566/

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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby aardvark2zz » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:01 am

Ok
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Postby flyboy2548m » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:12 am

aardvark2zz wrote:Ok


No chart?
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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby 3WE » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:23 am

flyboy2548m wrote:
aardvark2zz wrote:Ok


No chart?


Yes.
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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby PurduePilot » Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:22 am

Ancient Mariner wrote:
Sickbag wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/dreamliner-787-heathrow-fire-may-have-been-caused-by-short-circuit-10462014.html

An air accident report into a fire on a plane at Heathrow two years ago has revealed that it was triggered by trapped battery wires.



I remember many moons ago, on the original AD.com, that when I had the gall to comment on the shoddy installation of wires in an Boeing something I was promptly shot down in flames.
Maybe I was not too far off the mark.
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I can't remember if these ELT wires were component wires or ship wires.

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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby Ancient Mariner » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:33 am

What's the difference.? Not familiar with that terminology.
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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby PurduePilot » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:44 am

Wires contained inside the box or wires outside the box that interface it with the rest of the airplane. Mechanics and installers don't open LRU (line replaceable unit). They just remove and install the LRU.

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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby Ancient Mariner » Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:32 am

PurduePilot wrote:Wires contained inside the box or wires outside the box that interface it with the rest of the airplane. Mechanics and installers don't open LRU (line replaceable unit). They just remove and install the LRU.

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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby PurduePilot » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:01 am

You're not old, you're just experienced!

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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby Ancient Mariner » Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:02 am

PurduePilot wrote:You're not old, you're just experienced!


Thank you, I'll remember that!
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Re: 787 troubles, the latest news..

Postby J » Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:49 pm

Boeing Everett plant set to roll out 500th 787 Dreamliner
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Rolls-Royce’s improved Trent 1000 TEN engine is expected to be online in late 2017 — more than a year late — offering operators even better performance, said Bob Whittington, Boeing vice president and chief program engineer for the 787.

After the plane’s problem-plagued beginning, “the view is great” at 500, he said.

It’s been five years today since Boeing delivered the first 787 to All Nippon Airways of Japan. The delivery was more than three years late. But the program’s early headaches — reliability issues, production backups, an emergency grounding due to smoking batteries, spiraling development and production costs — are almost distant memories now.

“We’re out of the dark days,” he said.
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In 2012, Boeing delivered 46 787s, its first full production year. It delivered three times that many last year, and is on pace to do so again this year. The current production rate is 12 airplanes a month. Actual deliveries are slightly fewer. The company plans to turn out 14 Dreamliners a month by the end of the decade, and the program is already gearing up for the increase, although a Boeing exec said last month that there might not be orders to support that pace.
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“Planes always start heavy and get lighter,” said Edmund Greenslet, an aviation industry analyst and publisher of Airline Monitor. “Planes are the opposite of people, who start light and get heavier.”

Engineers typically make design improvements after a new plane starts performing in the real world. “You’re looking to cut pounds wherever you can find them,” he said.

With more than 450 Dreamliners in operation, the plane “is delivering so far on what was promised,” Greenslet said.

The 787-9, which was first delivered in mid-2014, is showing about 15 percent efficiency gains — measured in fuel consumption per seat — over similar airplanes, such as 767-300ERs. The smaller 787-8 is posting single-digit gains in fuel efficiency, he said.

The first 787-10, the biggest Dreamliner, is slated to be delivered in 2018. It will be assembled only in South Carolina.

Performance also is improving the more airlines fly the 787 and learn how to get the most out of the planes, he said.

Airlines have used the 787 to open more than 100 new routes between distant cities that would have been money-losers with older, less efficient jets.

For airlines, Dreamliners are now almost as dependable as 777s, the gold standard for dispatch reliability — a key metric in commercial aviation that tracks how often an airplane type leaves the airport gates within 15 minutes of schedule. The 777 is well above 99 percent. The 787 stumbled early on, but now is about 0.2 percentage points behind the 777, said Whittington, the 787’s chief engineer.

So far, in-service 787s have backed up Boeing’s promise to build a hardier, more problem-free plane. More than 30 Dreamliners have had their first major scheduled maintenance, called a C check. The findings are in line with the company’s expectations for wear and tear, he said.

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So far, 787 is on track to realize Boeing’s promise to cut maintenance costs by as much as 30 percent. “The amount of unscheduled work at the C check point is dramatically less than for a 767 or 777,” he said.

“We took risks on technology, and we took risks on a new supply base and production system. And we took risks on schedule,” Whittington said. “And the airplane turned out to be great. The risks we took on the airplane turned out to be all worth it.

http://www.heraldnet.com/news/boeings-everett-plant-set-to-roll-out-500th-787-dreamliner/


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