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airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby capslock » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:15 am

News are full of cancelled flights at Frankfurt, Paris and especially Heathrow.

One never hears about closed airports in Helsinki, Oslo or the likes. Does it simply not make the news, or are our northern neigbors better prepared?

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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:24 am

News are full of cancelled flights at Frankfurt, Paris and especially Heathrow.

One never hears about closed airports in Helsinki, Oslo or the likes. Does it simply not make the news, or are our northern neigbors better prepared?
Out of necessity we are better prepared, on the other hand it happens that even OSL is closed, but only for short periods.
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby flyboy2548m » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:39 pm

News are full of cancelled flights at Frankfurt, Paris and especially Heathrow.

One never hears about closed airports in Helsinki, Oslo or the likes. Does it simply not make the news, or are our northern neigbors better prepared?
Lemme ask you something:

Which do you reckon has more impact, closure of any of the hubs like Frankfurt, CDG or LHR or closure of Olso that nobody cares about?
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:54 pm

News are full of cancelled flights at Frankfurt, Paris and especially Heathrow.

One never hears about closed airports in Helsinki, Oslo or the likes. Does it simply not make the news, or are our northern neigbors better prepared?
Lemme ask you something:

Which do you reckon has more impact, closure of any of the hubs like Frankfurt, CDG or LHR or closure of Olso that nobody cares about?
I agree, no one cares about Olso, I don't even know where the heck that is.
You are on the other hand forgetting something Flyboy. We are filthy, stinking rich. :D
2009 figures for the THREE Oslo airports are:
OSL 18.000.000
TRF 1.900.000
RYG 619.000
Tot 20.519.000

Oslo is not a hub, FRA is and they will do only 35 million. You might also like to bear in mind that we are a grand total of 5 millon here in Vikingland.
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby Pipe » Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:51 pm

A typo from flyboy?!?!?! :o :o :o

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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby flyboy2548m » Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:03 pm

You are on the other hand forgetting something Flyboy. We are filthy, stinking rich. :D
2009 figures for the THREE Oslo airports are:
OSL 18.000.000
TRF 1.900.000
RYG 619.000
Tot 20.519.000

Oslo is not a hub, FRA is and they will do only 35 million. You might also like to bear in mind that we are a grand total of 5 millon here in Vikingland.
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And yet, nobody cares.
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:46 pm

You are on the other hand forgetting something Flyboy. We are filthy, stinking rich. :D
2009 figures for the THREE Oslo airports are:
OSL 18.000.000
TRF 1.900.000
RYG 619.000
Tot 20.519.000

Oslo is not a hub, FRA is and they will do only 35 million. You might also like to bear in mind that we are a grand total of 5 millon here in Vikingland.
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And yet, nobody cares.
We care, whether a nobody care or not we do not care much about. Then again our airports work as normal.
Would you like to hear about that time I had to fly from Los Angeles via Houston and Paris because you suckers could not cope with a sprinkling of snow in New York? I though not.
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby flyboy2548m » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:17 pm

Then again our airports work as normal.
That's like a Mexican bragging that his torillas are corn.
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby PurduePilot » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:21 pm

Then again our airports work as normal.
That's like a Mexican bragging that his torillas are corn.
Any Mexican worth his tequila knows flour tortillas are better.

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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby OldSowBreath » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:11 am

You don't know Mexicans. They don't use flour tortillas.

Aren't you supposed to be studying for exams anyway?

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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby PurduePilot » Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:45 am

You don't know Mexicans. They don't use flour tortillas.
And they like hard-shell tacos, too.
Aren't you supposed to be studying for exams anyway?
Those were last week, so now I don't know what to do with this new influx of free time.

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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:51 am

Then again our airports work as normal.
That's like a Mexican bragging that his torillas are corn.
Not quite sure where you're heading, but...
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby capslock » Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:48 am

Back to the topic, BRU has run out of deicing fluid. FRA said they had enough left. Not sure about other airports, but I guess most will be reordering now, which may strain ressources in the deicing fluid industry.

What happens if a second large snow front hits in early January (at which time I will be going through STN)?

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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:58 am

Back to the topic, BRU has run out of deicing fluid. FRA said they had enough left. Not sure about other airports, but I guess most will be reordering now, which may strain ressources in the deicing fluid industry.

What happens if a second large snow front hits in early January (at which time I will be going through STN)?
It's not only de-icing fluid which is the problem. January, STN? :shock:
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby flyboy2548m » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:57 am

Not quite sure where you're heading, but...
Not my fault you're a little slow on the uptake, Pappy.
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby ZeroAltitude » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:07 am

The de-icing fluid shortage at BRU is supposed to be caused by a general ban of heavy trucks on Belgian highways due to the snow.
All of Belgium/Netherlands/Luxembourg are said to be closed to heavy trucks.

I had an experience on a German autobahn last week that demonstrated rather well why heavy trucks should be banned in snowy conditions.
Took me 5 hrs to go 5 miles due to trucks blocking the road.
The trucks get nowhere, but nobody else can get anywhere as well because of them.
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby Procede » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:13 am

The de-icing fluid shortage at BRU is supposed to be caused by a general ban of heavy trucks on Belgian highways due to the snow.
All of Belgium/Netherlands/Luxembourg are said to be closed to heavy trucks.
No general ban here, though the maximum speed on a lot of motorways is reduced to 50 km/hour and trucks are only allowed on the right lane, even if another truck is stuck there. Some trucks do seem to be having a problem with adhering to this.

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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:27 am

Not quite sure where you're heading, but...
Not my fault you're a little slow on the uptake, Pappy.
I'm winding down for the Yule-blot, that's my excuse and I'll stick to it. Focusing on physical tasks now.
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:32 am

The de-icing fluid shortage at BRU is supposed to be caused by a general ban of heavy trucks on Belgian highways due to the snow.
All of Belgium/Netherlands/Luxembourg are said to be closed to heavy trucks.

I had an experience on a German autobahn last week that demonstrated rather well why heavy trucks should be banned in snowy conditions.
Took me 5 hrs to go 5 miles due to trucks blocking the road.
The trucks get nowhere, but nobody else can get anywhere as well because of them.
Solution, mandatory snow chains. Every truck driving in Norway must carry a number of snow chains depending on number of wheels/axels. Get stuck without and pay the fine. Only problem around here are foreign truck drivers without knowledge of driving on ice and snow and without the chains. They should be hanged, drawn and quartered! :evil:
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby Marc 1 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:14 am

Back to the topic, BRU has run out of deicing fluid.
Could they substitute Akkevit?

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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby Gabriel » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:34 am

Back to the topic, BRU has run out of deicing fluid.
Could they substitute Akkevit?
Yes. They can drink deicing fluid whenever they want.

Oh, you menat the other way around? :roll:

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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby capslock » Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:21 am

The de-icing fluid shortage at BRU is supposed to be caused by a general ban of heavy trucks on Belgian highways due to the snow.
All of Belgium/Netherlands/Luxembourg are said to be closed to heavy trucks.

I had an experience on a German autobahn last week that demonstrated rather well why heavy trucks should be banned in snowy conditions.
Took me 5 hrs to go 5 miles due to trucks blocking the road.
The trucks get nowhere, but nobody else can get anywhere as well because of them.
Well, when the first snow hit here three weeks ago, we had the main Bundesstraße blocked for several hours because a truck/trailer carrying salt for deicing roads had turned and needed a mobile crane to be lifted off the road. Oh the ironing...

Still, winter tires have become increadibly good (at least for cars), and trucks put a lot more pressure (as in force / area) on the road, so I find it hard to see why they should have more trouble than cars if properly equipped.

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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:21 am

Back to the topic, BRU has run out of deicing fluid.
Could they substitute Akkevit?
Sacrilige................mmmm, where's the spell checker when you need it. :evil:
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby Ancient Mariner » Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:26 am

The de-icing fluid shortage at BRU is supposed to be caused by a general ban of heavy trucks on Belgian highways due to the snow.
All of Belgium/Netherlands/Luxembourg are said to be closed to heavy trucks.

I had an experience on a German autobahn last week that demonstrated rather well why heavy trucks should be banned in snowy conditions.
Took me 5 hrs to go 5 miles due to trucks blocking the road.
The trucks get nowhere, but nobody else can get anywhere as well because of them.
Well, when the first snow hit here three weeks ago, we had the main Bundesstraße blocked for several hours because a truck/trailer carrying salt for deicing roads had turned and needed a mobile crane to be lifted off the road. Oh the ironing...

Still, winter tires have become increadibly good (at least for cars), and trucks put a lot more pressure (as in force / area) on the road, so I find it hard to see why they should have more trouble than cars if properly equipped.
Not necessarily per cm square they don't. On a tractor trailer the driven wheels are on the tractor and the cargo on the trailer. Then you have a lot of mass to decelerate, uneven brake bias, 5 turns lock to lock, 18 -20 meters of truck that does not fit sideways on any road I know and so on. Deathtraps on icy roads.
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Re: airport shut-downs due to snow?

Postby capslock » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:13 am

You may be right about driven wheels, although even those are usually underneath the point where the trailer sits on the tractor.

As for possible braking action, I am very certain that the pressure is much higher. An undisputed number from our minstry of infrastructure is that a truck/trailer combo does about the same damage to an Autobahn as 200 cars. Even if you consider that a truck has more and wider wheels, that would still amount to higher pressure.


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