Good For Delta - Crackdown on Comfort Animals
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Simply insane trend... I've had support pigs, support cats and support lizards all on the loose while I jet across the pond. Us rational folks need safe spaces too!
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Re: Good For Delta - Crackdown on Comfort Animals
Simply insane trend... I've had support pigs, support cats and support lizards all on the loose while I jet across the pond. Us rational folks need safe spaces too!
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Holy Colombian submarine, supersean materialized!
"Lav sinks on 737 Max are too small"
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Re: Good For Delta - Crackdown on Comfort Animals
Fixed.Holy Colombian submarine, supersean surfaced!
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Southwest Passenger Says She Was Forced To Leave Pet Fish At Denver Airport
A San Diego–area college student is accusing Southwest Airlines of forcing her to leave her pet fish at Denver International Airport.
Last Wednesday, University of Colorado sophomore Lanice Powless was getting ready to fly home for the holidays with Cassie, a pink male beta fish she has owned since her freshman year.
“I’ve taken him everywhere with me,” she told San Diego station KGTV.
Although the Transportation Security Administration website says live fish are allowed on planes as carry-on luggage, Southwest employees told Powless only small cats and dogs that fit in an under-seat carrier are allowed.
This surprised her, she said, because she has taken numerous trips on Southwest with Cassie.
“I have traveled with it. I had it in my container too. Maybe they just didn’t make a big deal out of it,” Powless told the station.
After a gate agent refused to hold the fish at the counter for 30 minutes so a friend could pick it up, Powless was forced to ask random passengers on other airlines that allowed fish if they could care for Cassie, according to Fox News.
Although she found a willing party to take care of Cassie, she was unable to get that person’s name or other contact info.
(Oh I see, she had time to find someone to take the fish but couldn't get their contact information?)
“[Airport staffers] were not allowing us to conversate at all because they were thinking we were going to do some, like, secret exchange throughout the airport,” Powless told KGTV. “Even after I was no longer in possession with the fish, they still continued to have security around us and follow us through the airport and escorted onto our plane, as if, like, we brought something bad into the airport.”
A Southwest representative told USA Today that while fish aren’t allowed on flights, employees “offered to re-book the Customer for a later flight to allow them to make arrangements for their pet but the Customer refused that option. The Customer eventually traveled on their originally scheduled flight.” (Oh, I see she could have taken care of Little Cassie but chose to simply hand it off to a stranger)
Powless is home for the holidays but said it won’t be a happy time.
“Everyone’s laughing at me,” she told KGTV. “Yes, it’s a fish. I know. But dang, it was my pet. And just because it wasn’t a cat or dog, it wasn’t as important?”
In August, Southwest Airlines announced it was limiting passengers to one emotional support animal per person ― and only dogs and cats are permitted.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/la ... 6e3a158d1a
A San Diego–area college student is accusing Southwest Airlines of forcing her to leave her pet fish at Denver International Airport.
Last Wednesday, University of Colorado sophomore Lanice Powless was getting ready to fly home for the holidays with Cassie, a pink male beta fish she has owned since her freshman year.
“I’ve taken him everywhere with me,” she told San Diego station KGTV.
Although the Transportation Security Administration website says live fish are allowed on planes as carry-on luggage, Southwest employees told Powless only small cats and dogs that fit in an under-seat carrier are allowed.
This surprised her, she said, because she has taken numerous trips on Southwest with Cassie.
“I have traveled with it. I had it in my container too. Maybe they just didn’t make a big deal out of it,” Powless told the station.
After a gate agent refused to hold the fish at the counter for 30 minutes so a friend could pick it up, Powless was forced to ask random passengers on other airlines that allowed fish if they could care for Cassie, according to Fox News.
Although she found a willing party to take care of Cassie, she was unable to get that person’s name or other contact info.
(Oh I see, she had time to find someone to take the fish but couldn't get their contact information?)
“[Airport staffers] were not allowing us to conversate at all because they were thinking we were going to do some, like, secret exchange throughout the airport,” Powless told KGTV. “Even after I was no longer in possession with the fish, they still continued to have security around us and follow us through the airport and escorted onto our plane, as if, like, we brought something bad into the airport.”
A Southwest representative told USA Today that while fish aren’t allowed on flights, employees “offered to re-book the Customer for a later flight to allow them to make arrangements for their pet but the Customer refused that option. The Customer eventually traveled on their originally scheduled flight.” (Oh, I see she could have taken care of Little Cassie but chose to simply hand it off to a stranger)
Powless is home for the holidays but said it won’t be a happy time.
“Everyone’s laughing at me,” she told KGTV. “Yes, it’s a fish. I know. But dang, it was my pet. And just because it wasn’t a cat or dog, it wasn’t as important?”
In August, Southwest Airlines announced it was limiting passengers to one emotional support animal per person ― and only dogs and cats are permitted.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/la ... 6e3a158d1a
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Southwest Passenger Says She Was Forced To Leave Pet Fish At Denver Airport
A San Diego–area college student is accusing Southwest Airlines of forcing her to leave her pet fish at Denver International Airport.
Last Wednesday, University of Colorado sophomore Lanice Powless was getting ready to fly home for the holidays with Cassie, a pink male beta fish she has owned since her freshman year.
“I’ve taken him everywhere with me,” she told San Diego station KGTV.
Although the Transportation Security Administration website says live fish are allowed on planes as carry-on luggage, Southwest employees told Powless only small cats and dogs that fit in an under-seat carrier are allowed.
This surprised her, she said, because she has taken numerous trips on Southwest with Cassie.
“I have traveled with it. I had it in my container too. Maybe they just didn’t make a big deal out of it,” Powless told the station.
After a gate agent refused to hold the fish at the counter for 30 minutes so a friend could pick it up, Powless was forced to ask random passengers on other airlines that allowed fish if they could care for Cassie, according to Fox News.
Although she found a willing party to take care of Cassie, she was unable to get that person’s name or other contact info.
(Oh I see, she had time to find someone to take the fish but couldn't get their contact information?)
“[Airport staffers] were not allowing us to conversate at all because they were thinking we were going to do some, like, secret exchange throughout the airport,” Powless told KGTV. “Even after I was no longer in possession with the fish, they still continued to have security around us and follow us through the airport and escorted onto our plane, as if, like, we brought something bad into the airport.”
A Southwest representative told USA Today that while fish aren’t allowed on flights, employees “offered to re-book the Customer for a later flight to allow them to make arrangements for their pet but the Customer refused that option. The Customer eventually traveled on their originally scheduled flight.” (Oh, I see she could have taken care of Little Cassie but chose to simply hand it off to a stranger)
Powless is home for the holidays but said it won’t be a happy time.
“Everyone’s laughing at me,” she told KGTV. “Yes, it’s a fish. I know. But dang, it was my pet. And just because it wasn’t a cat or dog, it wasn’t as important?”
In August, Southwest Airlines announced it was limiting passengers to one emotional support animal per person ― and only dogs and cats are permitted.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/la ... 6e3a158d1a
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I want to know why Sully had the VS bobble at 100 feet. As a fellow crackerbox operator, would you know what he was thinking?quote=Flyboy being insightful
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"What's it doing now?!", obviously.I want to know why Sully had the VS bobble at 100 feet. As a fellow crackerbox operator, would you know what he was thinking?
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Delta passenger's lawsuit claims emotional support dog attack resulted in 'extensive facial damage'
According to NBC, Jackson argued in the court filings that Delta was liable for the attack because the airline's staff ignored their company's policy on service animals, which requires large dogs to be secured on the floor of the plane rather than allow customers to carry them in their laps.
"Defendant Delta allowed the large animal to remain in Defendant Mundy's lap while Delta employees passed through the area in open disregard of said policy," reads the lawsuit, according to NBC.
https://thehill.com/policy/transportati ... k-resulted
According to NBC, Jackson argued in the court filings that Delta was liable for the attack because the airline's staff ignored their company's policy on service animals, which requires large dogs to be secured on the floor of the plane rather than allow customers to carry them in their laps.
"Defendant Delta allowed the large animal to remain in Defendant Mundy's lap while Delta employees passed through the area in open disregard of said policy," reads the lawsuit, according to NBC.
https://thehill.com/policy/transportati ... k-resulted
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Funny how that article fails to mention one very important detail: the size of the dog. The article says Delta policy requires "large" dogs to be kept on the floor... but was this a German Shepherd or a Chihuahua?
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This AM, the headline was something to the effect, that a gal in coach was not allowed to go up to the in-laws first class seat to pump milk...
I dunno- I guess that's more of the extra complex training that Flyboy needs to be getting, especially since pilots like him don't give a rat about airplane systems.
Similar to an elaw quote above...who knows the full story and was it really one of those "sort of rooms" or was it the normal side by side seating...
Going with the airline on this one- we exist to fly buttocks from A to B...not to be a milk parlour.
Perhaps the next iteration of the 737-Max can have a small "mommy room".
I dunno- I guess that's more of the extra complex training that Flyboy needs to be getting, especially since pilots like him don't give a rat about airplane systems.
Similar to an elaw quote above...who knows the full story and was it really one of those "sort of rooms" or was it the normal side by side seating...
Going with the airline on this one- we exist to fly buttocks from A to B...not to be a milk parlour.
Perhaps the next iteration of the 737-Max can have a small "mommy room".
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Re: Good For Delta - Crackdown on Boobies
That should be easy enough... just put a partition wall in the lav and add a second door.Perhaps the next iteration of the 737-Max can have a small "mommy room".
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Re: Good For Delta - Crackdown on Boobies
Indeed.That should be easy enough... just put a partition wall in the lav and add a second door.Perhaps the next iteration of the 737-Max can have a small "mommy room".
However, that space might be needed for the new DCAS control computer which decides if the plane should or should not be pushing over somewhat relentlessly.
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In other news, Delta is now apparently cracking down on it own employees: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/delta-tr ... 997b6b198c
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Work has been stressful.In other news, Delta is now apparently cracking down on it own employees: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/delta-tr ... 997b6b198c
I think I clicked on your link...then read it 30 minutes later...and then posted it there with no memory of starting here with your awesome detective work.
I echo my comments there that it's both funny and creepy and sad and they WERE getting paid.
Off to search the internet for a good fare.
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No more emotional support animals on planes; DOT closes major loophole
The U.S. Department of Transportation just announced a major revision to its Air Carrier Access Act (ACAA) with specific updates to the Traveling by Air with Service Animals section. In it, the agency makes a final ruling on emotional support animals. When the final ruling goes into effect, 30 days after the publication date in the Federal Register, emotional support animals will no longer be considered service animals.
This news will be celebrated by every traveler or airline crew member that has witnessed a bad-behaving animal on an aircraft that clearly hasn’t been trained as a service animal but is masquerading as one at the behest of its owner. TPG has talked about the issue before as many travelers claimed any pet as an emotional support animal so they could fly.
The DOT said that “This final rule is intended to ensure that our air transportation system is safe for the traveling public and accessible to individuals with disabilities.”
To that end, going forward, a “service animal” is defined as one that is “individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability.” The animal may assist with tasks related to physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual or other mental disabilities. The ruling specifies that airlines must treat psychiatric service animals the same as any other service animal, such as one that assists an individual with a sight impairment.
This change lets airlines reclassify emotional support animals as pets instead of service animals. They may still fly based on the airline’s guidelines for pet travel.
Additionally, passengers flying with a service animal will now be required to fill out a form, developed by the DOT, and submit it to the airline. The information provided will confirm the animal’s service training, good behavior and good health. If your flight is eight hours or more, the passenger must also attest that the service animal either won’t relieve itself during the flight or will do so in a “sanitary manner.”
If you make your flight reservations in advance, your form is due to the airline within 48 hours of departure. For last-minute reservations, you can provide your form at the departure gate. Ask for the U.S. Department of Transportation Service Animal Air Transportation Form.
Note that according to the new ruling, a carrier may limit service animals to dogs. And, carriers are permitted to limit the number of service animals traveling with a single passenger to two. Furthermore, carriers can require that your service animal either fits on your lap or at your foot space on the aircraft.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/new-dot-r ... t-animals/
The U.S. Department of Transportation just announced a major revision to its Air Carrier Access Act (ACAA) with specific updates to the Traveling by Air with Service Animals section. In it, the agency makes a final ruling on emotional support animals. When the final ruling goes into effect, 30 days after the publication date in the Federal Register, emotional support animals will no longer be considered service animals.
This news will be celebrated by every traveler or airline crew member that has witnessed a bad-behaving animal on an aircraft that clearly hasn’t been trained as a service animal but is masquerading as one at the behest of its owner. TPG has talked about the issue before as many travelers claimed any pet as an emotional support animal so they could fly.
The DOT said that “This final rule is intended to ensure that our air transportation system is safe for the traveling public and accessible to individuals with disabilities.”
To that end, going forward, a “service animal” is defined as one that is “individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability.” The animal may assist with tasks related to physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual or other mental disabilities. The ruling specifies that airlines must treat psychiatric service animals the same as any other service animal, such as one that assists an individual with a sight impairment.
This change lets airlines reclassify emotional support animals as pets instead of service animals. They may still fly based on the airline’s guidelines for pet travel.
Additionally, passengers flying with a service animal will now be required to fill out a form, developed by the DOT, and submit it to the airline. The information provided will confirm the animal’s service training, good behavior and good health. If your flight is eight hours or more, the passenger must also attest that the service animal either won’t relieve itself during the flight or will do so in a “sanitary manner.”
If you make your flight reservations in advance, your form is due to the airline within 48 hours of departure. For last-minute reservations, you can provide your form at the departure gate. Ask for the U.S. Department of Transportation Service Animal Air Transportation Form.
Note that according to the new ruling, a carrier may limit service animals to dogs. And, carriers are permitted to limit the number of service animals traveling with a single passenger to two. Furthermore, carriers can require that your service animal either fits on your lap or at your foot space on the aircraft.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/new-dot-r ... t-animals/
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Just wait until someone opens a science book and finds out that Homo sapiens is a kind of animal.
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Ok, sort of good, but:
1. Animals still allowed for psycho cases (therefore, less clear definitions and the note from the doctor versus the PR department and media)
2. They can require that the animal sit in your lap or the non existent legroom...ok, aren’t seeing eye dogs mostly German Shepherds (or similar breed)...full size? Again let’s put the PR dept vs the media vs the poor blind 5 YO angel...
I do like that some documentation of service training is required, but not sure I trust our great entrepreneurial country to offer genuine via zoom for a small price...
/curmudgeon
1. Animals still allowed for psycho cases (therefore, less clear definitions and the note from the doctor versus the PR department and media)
2. They can require that the animal sit in your lap or the non existent legroom...ok, aren’t seeing eye dogs mostly German Shepherds (or similar breed)...full size? Again let’s put the PR dept vs the media vs the poor blind 5 YO angel...
I do like that some documentation of service training is required, but not sure I trust our great entrepreneurial country to offer genuine via zoom for a small price...
/curmudgeon
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Ironic that would be on NBC!
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Re: Good For Delta - Crackdown on Comfort Animals
My thoughts are very similar. Seeing-eye dogs I think are generally large for good reasons, and this regulation seems like it could make life difficult for people with such animals.Ok, sort of good, but:
1. Animals still allowed for psycho cases (therefore, less clear definitions and the note from the doctor versus the PR department and media)
2. They can require that the animal sit in your lap or the non existent legroom...ok, aren’t seeing eye dogs mostly German Shepherds (or similar breed)...full size? Again let’s put the PR dept vs the media vs the poor blind 5 YO angel...
I do like that some documentation of service training is required, but not sure I trust our great entrepreneurial country to offer genuine via zoom for a small price...
/curmudgeon
And also concur about the lack of specific criteria for what constitutes training for a service animal. I hate rules and regulations as much as anyone, but if no standards are in place, anyone that has any computer skills will be able to make up or download a "training certificate" and game the system.
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And the airline will, in turn, be free to NOT accept such a certificate. As far as I am aware, the US is the only country that has had much of service animal on aircraft program. It's just not done anywhere else. I have a feeling this is the beginning of the end of that here, too.And also concur about the lack of specific criteria for what constitutes training for a service animal. I hate rules and regulations as much as anyone, but if no standards are in place, anyone that has any computer skills will be able to make up or download a "training certificate" and game the system.
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Ok, we(no italics) have spent a ton of tax dollars placing red rubber mats in wheelchair ramps for blind folks and Braille signage...I’m thinking the cute blind cancer girl and the blind war vet will STILL get backflips from the airlines to give Phideaux the best of service Premium Economy can offer...It's just not done anywhere else. I have a feeling this is the beginning of the end of that here, too.
Neurotic Karen and her designer breed...no.
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No airline mentioned but Delta does serve Tampa.....
Article does have image of the snake in the baggage.
4-foot boa constrictor found in luggage at Tampa airport
The snake was discovered after the bag passed through an X-ray machine.
Workers at Tampa International Airport discovered a 4-foot boa constrictor packed in a passenger’s luggage, authorities said Friday.
The coiled reptile was discovered as the baggage passed through an X-ray machine, the Transportation Security Administration said in a statement.
Images posted by the agency showed the animal near a pair of shoes and what appeared to be a laptop.
“Our officers at Tampa International Airport didn’t find this hyssssssterical!” the agency said.
The agency says it routinely screens pets, but animals should never be placed in an X-ray machine. It’s up to the airline as to whether it will allow a pet on board, the agency says.
In 2019, a loose 15-inch ring-necked snake was discovered near a TSA checkpoint at Newark Liberty International Airport when a passenger seemingly left it behind, the agency said.
The year before, at Miami International Airport, TSA workers found a python wrapped in what appeared to be a stocking that was hidden in a computer hard drive. The passenger, who was headed to Barbados, was fined and the snake was confiscated.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/4- ... -rcna64734
Article does have image of the snake in the baggage.
4-foot boa constrictor found in luggage at Tampa airport
The snake was discovered after the bag passed through an X-ray machine.
Workers at Tampa International Airport discovered a 4-foot boa constrictor packed in a passenger’s luggage, authorities said Friday.
The coiled reptile was discovered as the baggage passed through an X-ray machine, the Transportation Security Administration said in a statement.
Images posted by the agency showed the animal near a pair of shoes and what appeared to be a laptop.
“Our officers at Tampa International Airport didn’t find this hyssssssterical!” the agency said.
The agency says it routinely screens pets, but animals should never be placed in an X-ray machine. It’s up to the airline as to whether it will allow a pet on board, the agency says.
In 2019, a loose 15-inch ring-necked snake was discovered near a TSA checkpoint at Newark Liberty International Airport when a passenger seemingly left it behind, the agency said.
The year before, at Miami International Airport, TSA workers found a python wrapped in what appeared to be a stocking that was hidden in a computer hard drive. The passenger, who was headed to Barbados, was fined and the snake was confiscated.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/4- ... -rcna64734
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Snakes almost on a plane.snake
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