The geese were only doing what many Canadians do when the snow fly's,leaving!I haven't seen it noted here, but our local rag had a tiny blurb that the Smithsonian confirmed that they were Canada geese.
US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
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Happy you finally figured out that data can't give opinions.
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Happy you finally figured out that data can't give opinions.
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can you show me where i said this?Giles
Happy you finally figured out that data can't give opinions.
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also, you still havent mentioned who "us" is? you and 3we?
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your chart is still wrongcan you show me where i said this?Giles
Happy you finally figured out that data can't give opinions.
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also, you still havent mentioned who "us" is? you and 3we?
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In that case, it very well known when one writes specs, you'll have to define wrong, is it: 1000 km accuracy, 1 km, 1 meter, 1 micron, plank's constant.....?your chart is still wrong....can you show me where i said this?
also, you still havent mentioned who "us" is? you and 3we?
Wow, you're quoting yourself. Now, that's a real authoritative TV "expert".
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Roger Murdock: We have clearance, Clarence.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
in other words;In that case, it very well known when one writes specs, you'll have to define wrong, is it: 1000 km accuracy, 1 km, 1 meter, 1 micron, plank's constant.....?can you show me where i said this?
also, you still havent mentioned who "us" is? you and 3we?
your chart is still wrong
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Finger stutter problem ? Write it one more timein other words;In that case, it very well known when one writes specs, you'll have to define wrong, is it: 1000 km accuracy, 1 km, 1 meter, 1 micron, Planck's constant.....?
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I'm honored that you stalk my posts. 0:18 after my post. Almost as good as angryboy2548.
Again, to be scientifically correct, you'll have to give your definition of wrong, regarding the map.
(also spelling updated)
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In that case Angryboy2548mangryboy2548
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
I agree Advark2zz's chart is accurate according to the data used. The data however is suspect as the aircraft was in the water when the data indicated the aircraft was airborne.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
exactlyI agree Advark2zz's chart is accurate according to the data used. The data however is suspect as the aircraft was in the water when the data indicated the aircraft was airborne.
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How about flusteredboy0000m.In that case Angryboy2548mangryboy2548
(also spelling updated)
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
See, Don wrote it succinctly ..... at touchdown: indicated-altitude <> water-altitude.I agree Advark2zz's chart is accurate according to the data used. The data however is suspect as the aircraft was in the water when the data indicated the aircraft was airborne.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
The last time I was in NYC (admittedly a few years ago) the surface of the Hudson river was affected by the oceans tides. I doubt the surface of the river is than a few inches different from sea level.See, Don wrote it succinctly ..... at touchdown: indicated-altitude <> water-altitude.I agree Advark2zz's chart is accurate according to the data used. The data however is suspect as the aircraft was in the water when the data indicated the aircraft was airborne.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
New formerly undisclosed pictures have emerged.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
Discovery Channel tonight;
Mar 04, 10:00 pm
(60 minutes) Hudson Plane Crash - What Really Happened
Inside story of Flight 1549. How does a plane lose both engines over a city, and crash lands without a single death? New footage and exclusive interviews with crew, survivors, and rescuers tell the amazing story of survival.
Mar 04, 10:00 pm
(60 minutes) Hudson Plane Crash - What Really Happened
Inside story of Flight 1549. How does a plane lose both engines over a city, and crash lands without a single death? New footage and exclusive interviews with crew, survivors, and rescuers tell the amazing story of survival.
Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
This is not so sure anymore: IMINT gathered on the Hudson lately seems to suggest that there was an evil Canadian Geese Terrorist plot behind the suicidal moves:The geese were only doing what many Canadians do when the snow fly's,leaving!I haven't seen it noted here, but our local rag had a tiny blurb that the Smithsonian confirmed that they were Canada geese.
Rattler
Sincere condolences to all Norwegians! I guess you will need some aquevit to get over this.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
Read an article in Popular Mechanics which suggested that the engines on the A-320 are designed to shut down upon command of the onboard computers if they detect that damage or a malfunction in the engine is severe enough. The article suggested that this is why the engines on 1549 shut down, and suggests that had it not been for this commanded shutdown, the engines may have been capable of continuing to produce at least partial power.
Interesting theory I thought.
Interesting theory I thought.
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Except that they did not shut down...Read an article in Popular Mechanics which suggested that the engines on the A-320 are designed to shut down upon command of the onboard computers if they detect that damage or a malfunction in the engine is severe enough. The article suggested that this is why the engines on 1549 shut down, and suggests that had it not been for this commanded shutdown, the engines may have been capable of continuing to produce at least partial power.
Interesting theory I thought.
Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
More on the suspicious geese:
Stay alert!
Rattler
...The Iraqi geese, hell-bent on jihad, flew into the right engine of flight 1549 from LaGuardia to Charlotte, NC, sending it straight into the Hudson River.
All 150-ish passengers aboard the flight have made it out alive and are safe on land, much to the chagrin of the leader goose, Osama bin Honkin.
The threat level has been raised from orange to black, brown and white. Stay tuned for more information as the story develops.
Stay alert!
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
I am pretty sure that this captain is the type of guy that always has a plan B up his sleeve. What if my engines pack up now? Or when I am over there? What if this gets stuck? What if that becomes in/op. What if... all the time.
I would not be surprised if he has mentally ditched his plane many times before in that particular piece of river.
John, I salute you!
I would not be surprised if he has mentally ditched his plane many times before in that particular piece of river.
John, I salute you!
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
NTSB has released the CVR transcript as part of today's public hearing:
http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420471.pdf
And, for those who wondered whether attempting LGA or TEB would have been better ideas, my quick skim of the following indicates that it was possible (but barely and probably not likely in real-world conditions).
http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420152.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420471.pdf
And, for those who wondered whether attempting LGA or TEB would have been better ideas, my quick skim of the following indicates that it was possible (but barely and probably not likely in real-world conditions).
http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420152.pdf
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
These days it seems a CVR isn't complete unless there is some comment about employment conditionsNTSB has released the CVR transcript as part of today's public hearing:
http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420471.pdf
And, for those who wondered whether attempting LGA or TEB would have been better ideas, my quick skim of the following indicates that it was possible (but barely and probably not likely in real-world conditions).
http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DC ... 420152.pdf
and I didn't expect to see a cellphone in the cockpit whilst taxyingHOT-2 wonder how the Northwest and Delta pilots are gettin on.
HOT-1 I wonder about that too, I have no idea.
CAM [sound similar to power interruption]
CAM [sound similar to increase in engine
noise/frequency]
HOT-1 yeah hopefully better than we and West do
HOT-2 be hard to do worse.
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Re: US Air Plane down in the Hudson River in NYC
Flight sim reenactment of US1549, with voice recordings from several positions at LGA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjXCulRjPas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjXCulRjPas
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