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More shipwrecks

Postby sindeewell » Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:05 am

Interesting story (at least for me personally) on a number a new-found shipwrecks dating back hundreds of years in the Baltic.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100308/lf ... aspipeline
Gas pipeline probe uncovers shipwrecks in Baltic Sea
… Mon Mar 8, 2:17 pm ET
STOCKHOLM (AFP) – A dozen previously unknown shipwrecks, some of them believed to be up to 1,000 years old, were discovered in the Baltic Sea during a probe of the sea bed to prepare for the installation of a large gas pipeline, the Swedish National Heritage Board said Monday.

"We have manage to identify 12 shipwrecks, and nine of them are considered to be fairly old," Peter Norman, a senior advisor with the heritage board, told AFP.

"We think many of the ships are from the 17th and 18th centuries and we think some could even be from the Middle Ages," he said, stressing that "this discovery offers enormous culture-historical value.

The shipwrecks were discovered during a probe by the Russian-led Nord Stream consortium of the sea bed route its planned gas pipeline from Russia to the European Union will take through the Baltic.

"They used sonar equipment first and discovered some unevenness along the sea bottom ... so they filmed some of the uneven areas, and we could see the wrecks," Norman explained.

The discovery was made outside Sweden's territorial waters, but within its economic zone, he said.

None of the wrecks were in the actual path the Nord Stream pipeline is set to take, but they were in its so-called anchor corridor, meaning they are in the area where ships laying the pipeline might anchor, Norman said.

"That's one of the reasons this probe was done: to avoid damaging wrecks on the sea bed," he said, adding that the Swedish National Heritage Board had received assurances from Nord Stream that "the positioning of the wrecks will be taken into account when they lay the pipeline".

Due to its low temperatures and oxygen levels, the Baltic Sea is known as an ideal environment for conserving shipwrecks, which can remain virtually unblemished for hundreds and even thousands of year.

According to Norman, some 3,000 shipwrecks have been discovered and mapped in the Baltic, but experts believe more than 100,000 whole and partial wrecks litter the sea bottom.

"What makes this discovery so unique is that these wrecks have their hulls fully intact," Norman said, adding however that there were no plans to raise the wrecks, which lie at a depth of more than
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Re: More shipwrecks

Postby PurduePilot » Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:57 am

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"What makes this discovery so unique is that these wrecks have their hulls fully intact," Norman said, adding however that there were no plans to raise the wrecks, which lie at a depth of more than
Thanks for the cliffhanger. ;)

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Re: More shipwrecks

Postby OldSowBreath » Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:29 pm

Probably 30 feet.

Hell, did anybody complete a sail across the Baltic in those days?

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Postby Sickbag » Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:34 pm

Probably 30 feet.

Hell, did anybody complete a sail across the Baltic in those days?

Its still tricky today mainly because the lethal mix of Scandinavian people , discounted alcohol and water deeper then a puddle.
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Re: More shipwrecks

Postby Ancient Mariner » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:25 pm

Probably 30 feet.

Hell, did anybody complete a sail across the Baltic in those days?

Its still tricky today mainly because the lethal mix of Scandinavian people , discounted alcohol and water deeper then a puddle.
1. Nordic people, the Finns are populating the bottom too.
2. Discounted alcohol? You must be joking.
3. Water deeper than a puddle? Wouldn't know, I'm a deep sea sailor.
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Postby sindeewell » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:47 pm

Go deep or go home. Oh wait...wrong forum...ooops. LOL
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Postby Verbal » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:13 pm

Go deep and hard or go home.
Indeed.
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Postby sindeewell » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:41 pm

Remembering the good ol' days Verbie?
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Re: More shipwrecks

Postby Peter_K » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:58 pm

Beside the romantic shipwrecks there is between 60 and 300 thousand tons of iperit and other highly lethal nerve gas buried at the bottom of the Baltic sea. No one knows for sure how much and no one know for sure where. The dumping was done by Germans towards the end of the IIWW, Brits and Soviets. More than one fisherman got a nasty surprise from a jelly like substance in his nets. Besides the chemical weapons there are also countless amounts of traditional explosives.

On the map bellow orange spots show the know places of chemical weapons dumping spots, red skulls are more recent wrecks (there is definitely more of them than the map shows) and the bombs with the fuse show munition dumping spots.

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Probably 30 feet.
Pretty close. There is a reason why German U-boat crews referred to the Baltic Sea as a plate with noodles.

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Postby Not_Karl » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:06 am

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Re: More shipwrecks

Postby Peter_K » Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:55 pm

Indeed! and the fish taste grate. Actually, the stuff is not that dangerous as long as it stays at the bottom even if the containers are corroded and are leaking. Mustard gas will hydrolyze into a solid form upon contact with water, though it still remains lethal.
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