787 troubles, the latest news..

[Sir Gallivant]

... left Tokyo's Narita Airport about 20 minutes late ...

And three years, but who's counting?

[PurduePilot]

My prediction: in-flight structural-break up within eighteen months.

But Air France didn't order any...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bo ... deliveries

[PurduePilot]

Well maybe they did last month. I've been behind in my news.

[PurduePilot]

ruh roh

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forum ... n/5298924/

The first 787 was reportedly made a gear down trouble in the operation.
To summarize the news linked below is as follows.

At 9 AM on 6, All Nippon 651, operated by the first 787 JA801A from Tokyo to Okayama could not be confirmed main gear down short before landing and made a miss approach. The crews tried to get the gear down manually and could confim the gear down locked, then landed all in safe.

Its turnover ANA 654 was replaced to 767-300 so that they can clear the cause of JA801A's trouble.

Another 787 flights of Tokyo- Hiroshima was not affected by this trouble since it was operated by JA802A, the second 787.

News source in the Japanese language.
http://www.j-cast.com/2011/11/06112300.html

[J]

Airbus Tries to Exploit Training Time Needed for ANA Pilots on Boeing 787
TOKYO—All Nippon Airways Co. is taking significantly longer to train pilots for its new Boeing 787 jets than the aircraft maker and aviation-safety experts had expected, a surprise that Boeing Co. rival Airbus is trying to exploit.

ANA's training program for initial groups of pilots flying the twin-engine 787 Dreamliner takes about five weeks, ANA officials said. By contrast, Chicago-based Boeing for years has promised airlines that one of the new aircraft's major advantages would be short and relatively simple training requirements, typically lasting a week or less for many pilots.
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Officials at Airbus are trying to use ANA's 787 training time as a way to promote their own planes, arguing in recent sales pitches that Airbus planes are a better choice partly because pilot training is faster and therefore less costly, according to industry officials.

An Airbus spokeswoman wouldn't comment on whether Airbus is using ANA's long training time for the 787 to market Airbus jets
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In an interview last week, the head of ANA's 787 flight-training office said that Boeing's original plan for training duration had some "important shortcomings," prompting the carrier to substantially expand the length of training.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 37966.html

[Ancient Mariner]

Maybe the ANA pilots are not all that bright?
Per

[Hazmat]

Those evil Europeans again, they're probably at the root of all 787/748 problems.

[Sickbag]

In-flight structural-break up within eighteen months.

[Dummy Pilot]

ANA's training program for initial groups of pilots flying the twin-engine 787 Dreamliner takes about five weeks, ANA officials said. By contrast, Chicago-based Boeing for years has promised airlines that one of the new aircraft's major advantages would be short and relatively simple training requirements, typically lasting a week or less for many pilots.

5 weeks of training for a transition program to a completely new airframe doesn't sound long at all to me. The hoped for "week or less" training sounds down right criminal, and that's even going by today's standards at my airline of absolutely no systems training, all computer based/no instructor, keep 'em off the line for as short as possible programs.

[Verbal]

Training for Airbus pilots with no previous flying experience is a one hour PowerPoint presentation. For experienced pilots, it is two hours.

[Sickbag]

Boeing Dreamliner’s woes continue

Boeing’s flagship 787 Dreamliner hit its first operational glitch barely a week after the new wide-bodied jet made its entrance into regular passenger service, potentially creating further embarrassment for the world’s second-largest aircraft-maker.

The latest blow to the troubled jet came on Sunday, when pilots on an ANA flight from Tokyo’s Haneda airport to Okayama in western Japan were unable to deploy the 787’s landing gear automatically, forcing them to lower the landing gear manually.
..the incident will do little to boost Boeing’s reputation at a time when the aircraft-maker had hoped to have put the 787’s design problems behind it as it seeks to refit dozens of Dreamliners that came off its initial production line, at the same time as ramping up assembly to hit a target build rate of 10 aircraft a month by 2013.

Oh my days!


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e0346d9a-0974 ... z1d9claFan

[PurduePilot]

Boeing Dreamliner’s woes continue

Boeing’s flagship 787 Dreamliner hit its first operational glitch barely a week after the new wide-bodied jet made its entrance into regular passenger service, potentially creating further embarrassment for the world’s second-largest aircraft-maker.

The latest blow to the troubled jet came on Sunday, when pilots on an ANA flight from Tokyo’s Haneda airport to Okayama in western Japan were unable to deploy the 787’s landing gear automatically, forcing them to lower the landing gear manually.
..the incident will do little to boost Boeing’s reputation at a time when the aircraft-maker had hoped to have put the 787’s design problems behind it as it seeks to refit dozens of Dreamliners that came off its initial production line, at the same time as ramping up assembly to hit a target build rate of 10 aircraft a month by 2013.

Oh my days!


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e0346d9a-0974 ... z1d9claFan

Posted it two days ago, but thanks.

[Sickbag]

With revolutionary plastic wings, it has been hailed as the most significant step in air passenger travel since Concorde.
But there are fears for the long-term safety of the new Boeing 787 Dreamliner's plastic wings and fuselage.
U.S. inspectors said they do not know what to look for when the new composite starts to fail in a new report, the New Scientist revealed
The report said it is unclear how the 787 will become damaged over time and it is not known what the damage to the composite will look like.
The U.S. Accountability Office report, published last month, questioned whether the Federal Aviation Authority would be able to detect how serious damage was.It said: 'It is too early to fully assess the adequacy of FAA and industry efforts to address safety-related concerns and to build sufficient capacity to handle composite maintenance and repair.'The GAO report said that Boeing must work to improve the assessment of damage over the long-term.

Oh my gosh!

[Sickbag]

Posted it two days ago, but thanks.

In-flight structural-break up within eighteen months.

[reubee]

787 visiting AKL tomorrow at 10am. Now the question is, do I aim to get there by 10am or assume it will be late!

[Sir Gallivant]

787 visiting AKL tomorrow at 10am. Now the question is, do I aim to get there by 10am or assume it will be late!

Would you be able to track it on something like flightaware or flightradar24?

[B77W-QOTS]

787 visiting AKL tomorrow at 10am. Now the question is, do I aim to get there by 10am or assume it will be late!

Looked like a fair turnout reubee for its arrival with the carpark near the approach for runway 23 chockers, looking forward to seeing it in Melbourne on Thursday.

[Sickbag]

with the carpark near the approach for runway 23 chockers

Perverts!

[reubee]

787 visiting AKL tomorrow at 10am. Now the question is, do I aim to get there by 10am or assume it will be late!

Looked like a fair turnout reubee for its arrival with the carpark near the approach for runway 23 chockers, looking forward to seeing it in Melbourne on Thursday.

See around 12:40 http://www.slipstream.co.nz/airnz/ to see how far the overflow went back.


I must have been close to this guy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e14ZMoDGPhU becuase thats 2 of my 3 daughters sitting on the airport sign in the first ten seconds

787 visiting AKL tomorrow at 10am. Now the question is, do I aim to get there by 10am or assume it will be late!

Would you be able to track it on something like flightaware or flightradar24?

Not all the way, http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE1 ... /KBFI/NZAA. It appeared on the airport flight boards and the slipstream video above was streamed live.

First impression, it is bigger than I thought it would be, and lots of curvature in the wing. Hard to judge noise levels on a landing.

[PurduePilot]

The wing curvature and noise level definitely stand out the first few times.

[Sickbag]

The wing curvature and noise level definitely stand out the first few times.

And the ugly tail.

[Gabriel]

... wing curvature ... ugly tail

In-flight structural break-up within 18 months.

[J]

Oman Air orders 6 Boeing 787 planes at Dubai show(and Emirates ordered 50 777's)

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates—Boeing on Monday snagged a new Mideast customer for its much-hyped 787 Dreamliner at the Dubai Airshow, a day after it signed a record-breaking deal for 50 wide-body planes.

Oman Air and Boeing Co. said the carrier has ordered six Boeing 787-8 aircraft, though the planes won't translate into additional business for the Chicago-based plane maker. That's because Oman Air is taking over orders previously placed by Kuwait-based aircraft leasing company ALAFCO.

No one at ALAFCO was immediately available to comment on the deal, and it wasn't clear why it transferred the order.

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Oman Air is the flagship carrier of the Sultanate of Oman, which sits on the southestern tip of the Arabian Peninsula. The airline, set up in 1993, is far smaller than Gulf behemoths such as Dubai's Emirates and Qatar Airways.

Qatar Airways is among the regional carriers that have already signed up for the Dreamliner. It has ordered 30 of the planes and has options for 30 more. The carrier is expected to announce additional aircraft orders at this week's show.

Its Dubai-based rival Emirates, the region's biggest carrier, on Sunday placed an unexpectedly large order for 50 more Boeing 777s, signaling it remains optimistic about its ambitious growth plans despite the shake global economy. Boeing said he deal, worth $18 billion at list prices, was its biggest-ever single order in by value.

Gulf airlines have boomed in recent years by funneling travelers from far-flung global destinations through hubs such as Dubai and the Qatari capital Doha.

European plane manufacturer Airbus predicts the Middle East will require some 1,920 new planes worth more than $347 billion through 2030, according to a forecast released Monday.



http://www.boston.com/business/articles ... ubai_show/

[OldSowBreath]

I thought the tail was beautiful. It does have a hideously ugly wing box.

[Sickbag]

I thought the tail was beautiful. It does have a hideously ugly wing box.

Pervert!