787 troubles, the latest news..

[J]

All this because cheap spares aren't yet available???


Boeing 787 retirement

Excerpt:
EirTrade Aviation has been awarded the task of disassembling the first two Boeing 787s to be retired. The global aviation asset management and trading company, based in Dublin, will simultaneously dismantle the two aircraft for spare parts.

The work will likely take around three months to complete, with the spare parts becoming available in late Q1 2023. EirTrade has not revealed the identities of the two Boeing 787s to be disassembled, adding that these details remain, for now, confidential.

The work is due to take place at one of EirTrade's facilities in Prestwick, Scotland, with the material subsequently being stored in Ireland until suitable buyers can be found. The company's hangar manager, Steven Trowell, who will oversee the disassembly, added that the process should take approximately three months to complete, and went on to say,

“Understandably, there has been huge interest in these aircraft. There will, of course, be challenges along the way, and were the disassembly taking place at our own facility in Knock, it would have afforded us a greater degree of flexibility in terms of manpower, tooling, and logistics. However, any potential disruption to the schedule will be kept to a bare minimum, and we are privileged to be given the opportunity of disassembling the first 787-8s.”

With the identities of the first two Boeing 787s to be disassembled still unknown, are there any likely candidates? To date, no airline has yet to announce the retirement of a commercial Boeing 787.

The oldest passenger Dreamliner is still in service with All Nippon Airways. The aircraft, registered as JA801A, was delivered to the airline in October 2011, and according to data from FlightRadar24.com, has operated to Quingdao (TAO), Taipei (TPE), and Hong Kong (HKG) in the past few days. United Airlines and Ethiopian Airlines are among the other carriers to still be flying older Boeing 787s dating back to 2011 and 2012.

It remains to be seen which aircraft will be the first to be disassembled, but one thing is for sure - the work will be carried out by EirTrade.


https://simpleflying.com/eirtrade-aviat ... y-program/

[Verbal]

I'd say odds are that these are line numbers 4 and 5. They were flown in flight test but never reconfigured for their originally intended customers. It was deemed too costly to bring them up to production spec.

[Gabriel]

I'd say odds are that these are line numbers 4 and 5. They were flown in flight test but never reconfigured for their originally intended customers. It was deemed too costly to bring them up to production spec.

And if I remember correctly they were pretty over OEW* too, which would make them antieconomic to operate.

* Operative Empty Weight, for the acronym-illiterate.

[J]

This article says they're Norwegian.

These are 787-8s with registration numbers LN-LNA (MSN 35304) and LN-LNB (MSN 35305), which operated for Norwegian Air Shuttle and have been in storage since 2019. As reported by EirTrade, both aircraft will be disassembled simultaneously. Their parts would be available for marketing as spare parts to other operators by the end of the first quarter of 2023.
* * *
Oldest in-service Boeing 787 currently operates for All Nippon Airways under the registration JA801A. The Japanese airline took delivery of the aircraft in 2011.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2023/03/tw ... -scrapped/

[Verbal]

I blame the Norwegians.

[Gabriel]

I blame [others].

Yes, we are used to that. Norwegians, Helios pilots, Ethiopian pilots, Forkner, now Spirit...

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 023-02-23/

[Verbal]

Yes, we are used to that. Norwegians, Helios pilots, Ethiopian pilots, Forkner, now Spirit...

No.

[Gabriel]

Yes, we are used to that. Norwegians, Helios pilots, Ethiopian pilots, Forkner, now Spirit...

No.

Watch your back. One day they will blame you.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Martin Niemöller

[Verbal]

Okay.

[Not_Karl]

I blame the Norwegians.

Maybe Akevitt spills and fumes accelerate cheap-composite delamination. Did you test that OBVIOUS possible issue during Nightmareliner development?

[Verbal]

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[Not_Karl]

787F.jpg

Where's the third engine?

[elaw]

787F.jpg

Where's the third engine?

It's in the tail... of a different airplane:

[3WE]

787F.jpg

Where's the third engine?

Where is ITS?

Can’t see a damn thing behind that window…or is the f-model autonomous?

[3WE]

787F.jpg

Where's the third engine?

It's in the tail... of a different airplane:

To split hairs, I see a third engine on the tail cone of the 787…

[3WE]

…apparently functional in 787s. (March 2024)

Evanie cites a need to reboot the computer occasionally.

I blame Aeroengineers and Boeing management.

[Not_Karl]

…apparently functional in 787s. (March 2024)

AvieHeraldie entry.

A LATAM Chile Boeing 787-9 (...) was enroute at FL410(...) when the aircraft encountered an upset causing injuries to 12 people on board. The aircraft continued to Auckland for a landing without further incident.
(...)
The airline reported the aircraft encountered a technical incident causing strong movement of the aircraft.
(...)The captain later said they had briefly lost their instrumentation, then it came back all of the sudden.

I blame Verbie.

[Not_Karl]

Evanie cites a need to reboot the computer occasionally.

I guess Boeing didn't expect their aeroplanies to last 22 days, let alone 240. In all fairness, neither did I.

But I do expect LATAM shares to experience a huge MCAS-like drop following said airlinie's possible addition to Evanie's list.

[3WE]

Evanie cites a need to reboot the computer occasionally.

I guess Boeing didn't expect their aeroplanies to last 22 days, let alone 240. In all fairness, neither did I.

Did you make a typo? 18 months is 540 days: our generally-agreed longevity estimate.

Evanie’s no fly list? They handled this better than the Air France guys.

[Not_Karl]

Did you make a typo? 18 months is 540 days: our generally-agreed longevity estimate.

Those are the numbers being discussed there.

Evanie’s no fly list? They handled this better than the Air France guys.

But, genius piloting or Not_, Evanie is wondering if the airlinie has Not_followed an important de-crapping AD and didn't did important de-crapping software updates that would have made Verbie's multi-million-dollar killing machine a little less unreliable.

[3WE]

SUPPOSEDLY:

Hostie brings pilots “the fish.”

They bump a guarded switch on the back of the pilot seat.

The pilot seat begins moving forward.

Shoves the pilot into the control column.

Dive ensues.

Commentary:

It’s a completely different kind of MCAS, altogether.

[elaw]

Serves them right for ordering the fish!

Ironingly, I actually have some experience with something remotely related to this. Years ago when I worked as a mechanic, a certain brand of cars that I won't name but the name started with "A" and ended with "udi" had the power-seat controls in the doors. And they had very thin, very thinly insulated wiring running between the doors and the car body. The insulation on said wires would crack, sometimes resulting in the wires breaking and/or touching each other. More than once we got a car in where the driver's seat started moving by itself while the vehicle was being driven. For some reason people found that really objectionable...

[elaw]

Interesting vid by one of our favorite speakists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9VkV9RS-PI

If this is what really happened, score 1 point for Airbus and their sidestick controllers which aren't susceptible this kind of thing. Then take it back for their sidestick controllers which are susceptible to being jammed by cameras...

One thing puzzles me about this though... I can see even a guarded switch being accidentally bumped and actuated. But it seems like for this incident to happen, the switch would have to be not only bumped, but held for a period of time. Do we think that's plausible?

[Gabriel]

One thing puzzles me about this though... I can see even a guarded switch being accidentally bumped and actuated. But it seems like for this incident to happen, the switch would have to be not only bumped, but held for a period of time. Do we think that's plausible?

I thought the same. Either that (held down) or the fish tray was almost snug between the control column and the pilot's belly.
Or, the 787 played the Audi auto-seat-motion trick.

[3WE]

It does not_reconcile with:

1. The rumor of the instrument screens going blank (not_that windows computers don’t_do that from time to time.

2. Nor would I think you’d put passengers on the ceiling.

3. Gabriel ignored my Airplane! prompt.

4. Yes, ban fish and lots of other things.