"Negative, Southwest, the pattern is full"

[elaw]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/travel/s ... index.html

Oops!

[Gabriel]

A couple of VasAviation videos on that too. One is the classical ATC stuff, the other one is an analysis.

Tower really feared for their own lives, the plane was headed straight to the tower at about tower altitude.

[3WE]

This is more interesting than the headlines made it. Someone suggested they were 65 feet above the tower, but I think that’s speculation.

Everyone and their uncle was going around- wind shear, visibility.

There did seem to be a problem with SW getting on course and climbing, which I would assume is towards the top of the POHFCOMQRHMEMORY checklist, and cowboy improvisation, 172-based checklist.

Conversely, I wonder if this qualifies as an incident? Maybe not?

Speculation: Hopefully it’s not_”autopilot TOGA button what’s it doing now” stuff with an undue delay on grabbing controls and FDGDA.

Footnote: I’ve always wondered about the location of Flyovers control tower. The approach to 29 and go arounds on 12R and 30L get you a bit close to the tower.

https://www.flightaware.com/resources/a ... RT+DIAGRAM

[3WE]

Some talking heads.

https://youtu.be/4T9m1GF2Fys?si=vm09ChfwGwMQSV2i

Certainly some tough weather, but also the crew seems to have not_flown quite right.

Shoulder shrug.

Update: These guys talk long…one dude discusses “cheating” on stabilized approach criteria, and “going 100 knots” and human factors and third-leg fatigue, bicycle mishaps, …

I’d like them to meet Evan.

[elaw]

Tower really feared for their own lives, the plane was headed straight to the tower at about tower altitude.

Yes, but who had the right of way?

It reminds me of an old saying in boating, regarding right-of-way: "He was right, dead right, as he sped along, but he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

Back to the original topic sort of... of all the fixed objects that in history have been struck by aeroplanies, can anyone think of a case of an airplane hitting a control tower?

[3WE]

Blabbering:

Bad ass wind shear/turbulence gets them off course and low…

The next question is if it was so bad they couldn’t climb out, or if they vapor locked and fumbled the go-around.

Repeat: shoulder shrug.

[elaw]

Some pretty in-depth analysis by Juan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FQE38L81DI

[flyboy2548m]

Everyone and their uncle was going around- wind shear, visibility.

Not quite. Only the smurfs went around. In fairness, Republic didn't even try.

[3WE]

Everyone and their uncle was going around- wind shear, visibility.

Not quite. Only the smurfs went around. In fairness, Republic didn't even try.

Ah yes, the Evan hyperbole rule…There were a few go arounds taking place, so the weather might have been a little bit challenging…

[ocelot]

Conversely, I wonder if this qualifies as an incident? Maybe not?

I don't see why it wouldn't; other cases of descending off-course have been. Still hasn't turned up on AVH though...