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Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

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A Transair/Rhoades Aviation Boeing 737-200, registration N810TA (...) was climbing out of Honolulu's runway 08R when the crew stopped the climb at about 2000 feet reporting they had lost the #1 engine (JT8D, left hand). (...) The aircraft began to descend while trying to position for a return to Honolulu's runway 04R. The crew advised they might lose their other engine, it was running very hot, and requested the coast guard out (...) The aircraft did not make it to the airport and needed to ditch in the Ocean about 2.7nm short of the Kalaeloa's runway 29 (last position received from the transponder: N21.275 W158.026 at 50 feet MSL at 113 knots over ground). Both crew were rescued, one pilot was airlifted to a hospital, the other taken ashore by a rescue boat and taken to a hospital. Both pilots received serious injuries, one of the them is in critical condition, the other in serious condition.
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby 3WE » Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:41 am

IMHO: Cheap composite airbi make better boats. Everyone walked off Sully’s plane…these guys got hurt.

I suppose we should remember that lots of boats are made from cheap composites.

Maybe someone will ditch a 787 soon.
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby Gabriel » Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:40 pm

Can anybody explain to me how it is a good idea that you had just had an engine failure at take off and the next step is that you need to request delay vectors 15 miles away from the airport because you need to run 15 minutes of checklists?

How about downwind, base leg, final and land?

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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby elaw » Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:55 pm

This is parlour-talking obviously but I had the same thought. In the time that elapsed between their first announcement of a problem and the time they hit the sea, they could have returned to the airport in a nice orderly fashion, taxied back to wherever, deplaned, and been into their first beer at a nearby bar.
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby elaw » Sun Jul 04, 2021 10:26 pm

Here's Blancolirio's take on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsjIMAr3nZk

He seems quite convinced it's not a case of the crew shutting down the good engine after a failure. I am very much not convinced of that. He states more than once I think that the aircraft should be able to maintain altitude on one engine... which is absolutely true if the engine in question is functioning properly!

But if it's not...
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby 3WE » Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:48 am

*Devil’s advocate comment: Were they too heavy to land? (I’m guessing no, and yeah, better to inspect landing gear than clean saltwater out of everything).

*Evan Stupid Pilot comment: I get the feeling the guys were caught off guard and didn’t have their proverbial memory-item/QRH crap in a pile. When they finally got vectors to the airport, they were not_on heading

*A classic unhelpful ATC case. Maybe I’m gripy, but they ask to go back so they are given a heading away from the airport (one of about 15 examples)

*”The engine is running really hot” Does that mean there was AvGas in there? Did Bubbamahakaliaa in maintenance change the oil, but forgot to put the new oil in?

*Where is forum member Kaleohano to provide gossip from Honolulu? (Sarcasm).
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby monchavo » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:42 am

At the time of the crew rescue, one was described as being in a "critical" condition, the other in a "serious" condition. They were both released from hospital five days later. I am delighted that they are well enough to have been released from hospital - but would seem unusual for someone described as being "critical" to being released in such an extraordinarily short period of time. Comments?
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby 3WE » Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:12 pm

***would seem unusual for someone described as being "critical" to being released in such an extraordinarily short period of time.***

Comments?
I’m struggling to give good examples- but I see this with some regularity (just from random news/Facebook stuff).

Maybe the guy drowned and was in an induced coma…but no serious brain damage, wakes up, goes home.

Internal bleeding, dangerously low BP…bleeding stops, body makes new blood (or patient given blood)…whammo, not_critical any more.

A couple compound fractures might be really bad…screw bones back together, sew up- whammo, not_critical.

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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

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*Where is forum member Kaleohano to provide gossip from Honolulu? (Sarcasm).
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby monchavo » Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:22 pm

***would seem unusual for someone described as being "critical" to being released in such an extraordinarily short period of time.***

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I’m struggling to give good examples- but I see this with some regularity (just from random news/Facebook stuff).

Maybe the guy drowned and was in an induced coma…but no serious brain damage, wakes up, goes home.

Internal bleeding, dangerously low BP…bleeding stops, body makes new blood (or patient given blood)…whammo, not_critical any more.

A couple compound fractures might be really bad…screw bones back together, sew up- whammo, not_critical.

/major outsider ass-hat pontification.

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He suffered "head injuries and severe lacerations". I imagine they stitched him up,. checked for serious brain injury, let him in bed for a week or so then told him to go home. The power of the body to heal itself.

I also think that the terms are not quite as well used as they once were

Critically injured
Seriously injured
Severely injured
Light injuries
Walking wounded

dunno......
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby 3WE » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:56 pm

I also think that the terms are not quite as well used as they once were

Critically injured
Seriously injured
Severely injured
Light injuries
Walking wounded

dunno......
Yeah, I share the FEELING…

My memory is not 100% clear- there was a big wreck at the Daytona 500 a couple years back. Many people assumed the dude was dead. In a matter of hours, the dude’s condition seemed to go Critical, Stable, Serious, Fair, Good & released.
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby monchavo » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:56 am

It is extraordinary that they managed to get out, given what the front portion of the fuselage looks like in the picture. Have the pilots spoken about their experience? I am trying to imagine how they got out (!?)
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby Gabriel » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:59 pm

It is extraordinary that they managed to get out, given what the front portion of the fuselage looks like in the picture.
What picture?

The only one I saw showed the front 1/4 of so of the fuselage sitting in the bottom of the sea and as far as I remember it looked practically intact (apart from being severed of course). But I can't find that picture now to check on my memory.

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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby monchavo » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:48 pm

Yes. So it appears that from listening to reportage the plane ditched and floated for a period before sinking. The plane appears to have broken up during the sinking process ?
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby elaw » Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:13 am

Plane is intact while floating, in pieces on the seabed.

There's only one logical answer: squids.
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby 3WE » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:44 am

Airline grounded…

Pilots feared crashing…

Sale at Penney’s…

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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby monchavo » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:58 am

Plane is intact while floating, in pieces on the seabed.

There's only one logical answer: squids.
OK, so it "broke its back" during the ditching and then the forces of the sinking upon the airframe caused it to split up?
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby elaw » Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:45 pm

The company also operates prop planes under a separate corporate entity with the same owners, and those have not been grounded.
Sounds like half the airline is grounded. The other half is not because they haven't done an unscheduled water landing... yet. :(
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby 3WE » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:01 pm

The company also operates prop planes under a separate corporate entity with the same owners, and those have not been grounded.
Sounds like half the airline is grounded. The other half is not because they haven't done an unscheduled water landing... yet. :(
Perhaps it’s because reciprocating engines are expected to fail and cause ditchings, but for turbines to crap out takes real neglect…
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby 3WE » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:02 pm

Plane is intact while floating, in pieces on the seabed.

There's only one logical answer: squids.
OK, so it "broke its back" during the ditching and then the forces of the sinking upon the airframe caused it to split up?
Carbon fiber composites (even cheap ones) seem to fare better.
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Re: Transair 737 ditched off Honolulu

Postby elaw » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:17 pm

As the owner of a number of composite "vehicles", I can confirm that they seem to perform considerably better in the water than most aircraft. I'm thinking maybe it's intentional... :mrgreen:
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