Cape Air
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Cape Air
So apparently last week Cape Air blew their hull loss record: https://www.capeair.com/theme/single-news.html?id=1556
The reports suggest a runway overrun, but this article: https://knox.villagesoup.com/2021/09/13 ... -wreckage/ suggests maybe a failed go-around.
nothing on avh though. Is Cape Air out of avh's scope? (planes not large enough? wrong part operator? not sure...)
The reports suggest a runway overrun, but this article: https://knox.villagesoup.com/2021/09/13 ... -wreckage/ suggests maybe a failed go-around.
nothing on avh though. Is Cape Air out of avh's scope? (planes not large enough? wrong part operator? not sure...)
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http://avherald.com/h?faq=&opt=234Q: What incidents and accidents does The Aviation Herald report?
The Aviation Herald concentrates on "Air Transport", meaning in general The Aviation Herald will report only about commercial flights or commercial operators involving airplanes with capacity for 19 passenger seats or more.
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Av Herald are weenies.http://avherald.com/h?faq=&opt=234Q: What incidents and accidents does The Aviation Herald report?
The Aviation Herald concentrates on "Air Transport", meaning in general The Aviation Herald will report only about commercial flights or commercial operators involving airplanes with capacity for 19 passenger seats or more.
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.
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I hate those...because I've come to realize how insidious they are....this article suggests maybe a failed go-around...
Evan pontificates all day about "rules", but it's become way too easy to 'visualize' the pilot feeling that everything is fine, and my X-thousandth landing (and this one isn't even a challenging windy day), and it's been a long day and the motel room is calling and oh crap...
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.
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Not terribly windy, but that landing did come at the tail end of a pretty heavy rain shower: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/ ... 09-9/daily
I wonder if hydroplaning was a factor?
I wonder if hydroplaning was a factor?
HR consultant, Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems, Inc.
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That makes a lot of sense. True go-around accidents tend to cause a lot of crash, burn and did diedness. This was almost a good landing, as I think most walked away (Crash and burn still acknowledged)I wonder if hydroplaning was a factor?
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.
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I think that hydroplaning alone can't explain this because the plane overrun the runway by A LOT and went through a lot of things too.That makes a lot of sense. True go-around accidents tend to cause a lot of crash, burn and did diedness. This was almost a good landing, as I think most walked away (Crash and burn still acknowledged)I wonder if hydroplaning was a factor?
Yes, I acknowledged that elaw said "a factor".
And by the way, 3we, yes, all occupants walked away uninjured. So we can officially say that it was not a perfect but a good landing.
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Noted.I think that hydroplaning alone can't explain this because the plane overrun the runway by A LOT and went through a lot of things too…
If so, that might be a rather lucky group of folks.
We will have to consult the ISO-2001.236.A POHFCOMQRH…I would think being trapped in a burning plane and needing rescue makes it a less than good landing- however, that is also unsubstantiated parlour talk.
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.
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Did a little searching, reading.
Runway: 3,500 ft.
Aircraft supposedly came to rest on Race Point Road.
I guesstimate an 800 ft over run.
It doesn’t seem that out of the question for a big twin if you land a little long and or fast and have bad braking.
Runway: 3,500 ft.
Aircraft supposedly came to rest on Race Point Road.
I guesstimate an 800 ft over run.
It doesn’t seem that out of the question for a big twin if you land a little long and or fast and have bad braking.
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.
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I wonder if some indecision about going around could be involved?
Touch down... plane seems to be slowing... but is it slowing fast enough? Maybe not, let's go around (adds power). Oh s**t it's not accelerating fast enough, never mind we'll continue the landing... (sound of impacting tree branches).
Touch down... plane seems to be slowing... but is it slowing fast enough? Maybe not, let's go around (adds power). Oh s**t it's not accelerating fast enough, never mind we'll continue the landing... (sound of impacting tree branches).
HR consultant, Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems, Inc.
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Indeed.I wonder if some indecision about going around could be involved?
Touch down... plane seems to be slowing... but is it slowing fast enough? Maybe not, let's go around (adds power). Oh s**t it's not accelerating fast enough, never mind we'll continue the landing... (sound of impacting tree branches).
I had forgotten about V3BS the velocity at which you can still abort takeoff and have a survivable crash.
Evan suggested it…it appears to be a good idea./blue font.
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.
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No, aircraft totally crossed Race Point Rd and ended up embedded in the trees of which it chopped a few which takes some energy. Let's say that it was still going at more than just a few knots when it started chipping trees.Aircraft supposedly came to rest on Race Point Road.
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Our friend estimates 4400 ft distance from arrival threshold to final position,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0f4EPTtBeI
My speculation is either a too long and too fast touchdown on a wet runway and perhaps with hydroplaning, or and aborted aborted landing (meaning that for some reason they decided to go back up but then for some other reason, maybe when they saw they were not going to make it, they changed their mind and aborted the go around attempt).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0f4EPTtBeI
My speculation is either a too long and too fast touchdown on a wet runway and perhaps with hydroplaning, or and aborted aborted landing (meaning that for some reason they decided to go back up but then for some other reason, maybe when they saw they were not going to make it, they changed their mind and aborted the go around attempt).
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Huh? LANDING threshold, sure- look at a scaled map.Our friend estimates 4400 ft distance from arrival threshold to final position,
Katherine’s place is now suggesting a tailwind landing (possibly only one ILS), 200 ft ceiling, ILS antenna unharmed, and airport-fence-tree damage 20 ft up in the air…
Here’s a sticky question- would two pilots have done better? Ironingly, maybe not in the last minute, but perhaps in the minutes before…/rambling
Commercial Pilot, Vandelay Industries, Inc., Plant Nutrient Division.
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According to the reports I saw the occupants were not all uninjured.
anyway, boo on avh for not covering this, it's of interest even if a lot of small-aircraft operators are not.
anyway, boo on avh for not covering this, it's of interest even if a lot of small-aircraft operators are not.
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