What does "Walk-Off" mean?

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sabre » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:13 pm

To clarify the over run of first base:

When the runner over runs first base and turns right (into foul territory), he can not be tagged out. If he over runs the base and turns left (into fair territory), he is still a "live" base runner. That is, he can be tagged out for not being on the base.

On ground balls to the infield, you will see the runner turn right. On base hits to the outfield, you will see the runner turn left. This is to see if the ball gets mishandled by the outfielder, which might give the runner a chance to advance safely to 2nd base.
If he turns left, but immediately returns to base, he cannot be tagged out, there is no stipulation about turning to the right.

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sabre » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:14 pm

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Verbal » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:19 pm

If he turns left, but immediately returns to base, he cannot be tagged out, there is no stipulation about turning to the right.
Which is another way of saying you can't be tagged out if you are touching a base.

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sabre » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:46 pm

If he turns left, but immediately returns to base, he cannot be tagged out, there is no stipulation about turning to the right.
Which is another way of saying you can't be tagged out if you are touching a base.

Not at all, if you overrun by say 10 ft, then immediately turn around to return to first, you cannot be put out by being tagged during the return, regardless of whether you turned right or left.
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Any runner is out when --
... edited out prior subsections.
(c) He is tagged, when the ball is alive, while off his base. EXCEPTION: A batter-runner cannot be tagged out after overrunning or oversliding first base if he returns immediately to the base;
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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sir Henry » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:14 am

What is a "pinch-hitter"?

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sabre » Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:37 am

What is a "pinch-hitter"?
In short, it is a substitute batter. Typically you see this toward the end of a game when a weaker batter is coming up in the batting order; the manager may replace the batter with someone with a higher batting average or slugging percentage in the hopes of scoring a critical run. Since there is no free substitution, the original batter is not permitted to return from the game. The pinch hitter may assume the position of the player he is batting for, but it is not required. In the National League, pinch hitters are often used for pitchers, who are then replaced the next half inning. Since the AL has the designated hitter, you don't see pitch hitters as often, but it is still reasonably common.
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In situations where the tying or go-ahead runner is a player that is not very fast, a pinch-runner may be similarly employed.

Since defensive substitutions are almost always done between half-innings, they don't have a fancy name like 'pinch fielder'.

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Peminu » Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:42 pm

A box-score question:

The other day I was watching a game where the pitcher had a very low ERA (earned run average) and pitched a wild pitch that allowed two runners to score.

How will this be put in the box score?

The question is because if the runs are marked with an error, you will be helping to his statistics of ERA. If it is put the other way, you will not be marking his error. Can you mark both: the error and the earned runs? After all, he earned them.
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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sabre » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:29 pm

A box-score question:

The other day I was watching a game where the pitcher had a very low ERA (earned run average) and pitched a wild pitch that allowed two runners to score.

How will this be put in the box score?

The question is because if the runs are marked with an error, you will be helping to his statistics of ERA. If it is put the other way, you will not be marking his error. Can you mark both: the error and the earned runs? After all, he earned them.
A wild pitch is not considered an error, as it is it's own pitching statistic. If a run is scored due to a wild pitch, it is considered earned (assuming it would be earned otherwise), thus will go against the pitcher's ERA. There is a similar ruling called a passed ball, where in the scorer's judgement, the ball getting past the catcher was mostly the fault of the catcher; this too is its own statistic, but does not count against the pitcher.

The situation you describe sounds like it is missing something, as it is virtually impossible to score from second on a WP or PB unless some other factor comes into play. The wall/fence/screen behind home plate is typically around 60ft behind the plate, whereas the runner must advance almost 180ft from 2nd to home, so normally there would be plenty of time for the catcher to retrieve the ball and throw to the pitcher covering home.

If there was some other factor, say a bad throw by the catcher, it is possible that one run would be earned, and the other un-earned; but it's all speculation without seeing it.

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Peminu » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:07 pm

A box-score question:

The other day I was watching a game where the pitcher had a very low ERA (earned run average) and pitched a wild pitch that allowed two runners to score.

How will this be put in the box score?

The question is because if the runs are marked with an error, you will be helping to his statistics of ERA. If it is put the other way, you will not be marking his error. Can you mark both: the error and the earned runs? After all, he earned them.
A wild pitch is not considered an error, as it is it's own pitching statistic. If a run is scored due to a wild pitch, it is considered earned (assuming it would be earned otherwise), thus will go against the pitcher's ERA. There is a similar ruling called a passed ball, where in the scorer's judgement, the ball getting past the catcher was mostly the fault of the catcher; this too is its own statistic, but does not count against the pitcher.

The situation you describe sounds like it is missing something, as it is virtually impossible to score from second on a WP or PB unless some other factor comes into play. The wall/fence/screen behind home plate is typically around 60ft behind the plate, whereas the runner must advance almost 180ft from 2nd to home, so normally there would be plenty of time for the catcher to retrieve the ball and throw to the pitcher covering home.

If there was some other factor, say a bad throw by the catcher, it is possible that one run would be earned, and the other un-earned; but it's all speculation without seeing it.
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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sabre » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:46 pm

The ball went into the dogout so the runner in second was allowed 2 bases.
You've got me stumped to the point I had to look up the rule, as my undestanding was only one base would be awarded. As I read the rule, while not impossible, it would have to be a really weird play for the awarding of a two bases. Any recollection of who was playing and when? I'd like to see it.
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Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance --
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(h) One base, if a ball, pitched to the batter, or thrown by the pitcher from his position on the pitcher’s plate to a base to catch a runner, goes into a stand or a bench, or over or through a field fence or backstop. The ball is dead;
APPROVED RULING: When a wild pitch or passed ball goes through or by the catcher, or deflects off the catcher, and goes directly into the dugout, stands, above the break, or any area where the ball is dead, the awarding of bases shall be one base. One base shall also be awarded if the pitcher while in contact with the rubber, throws to a base, and the throw goes directly into the stands or into any area where the ball is dead.
If, however, the pitched or thrown ball goes through or by the catcher or through the fielder, and remains on the playing field, and is subsequently kicked or deflected into the dugout, stands or other area where the ball is dead, the awarding of bases shall be two bases from position of runners at the time of the pitch or throw.
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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Verbal » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:03 pm

You've got me stumped to the point I had to look up the rule, as my undestanding was only one base would be awarded. As I read the rule, while not impossible, it would have to be a really weird play for the awarding of a two bases. Any recollection of who was playing and when? I'd like to see it.
It's a special Yankees-only rule. Base runners for the Yankees get two bases on a passed ball. All other teams get one base. Hope this helps.
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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sabre » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:39 pm

It's a special Yankees-only rule. Base runners for the Yankees get two bases on a passed ball. All other teams get one base. Hope this helps.
Indeed. While this makes no sense from a logical standpoint, it sounds entirely plausible.

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby PurduePilot » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:21 am

You've got me stumped to the point I had to look up the rule, as my undestanding was only one base would be awarded. As I read the rule, while not impossible, it would have to be a really weird play for the awarding of a two bases. Any recollection of who was playing and when? I'd like to see it.
It's a special Yankees-only rule. Base runners for the Yankees get two bases on a passed ball. All other teams get one base. Hope this helps.
Doctor, what is your take on the Mariners? I have a ticket for $9 for the Wednesday game against the White Sox and I want to spend the rest of my budget on beer and bets. Thanks in advance.

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sir Henry » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:14 am

Doctor, what is your take on the Mariners? I have a ticket for $9 for the Wednesday game against the White Sox and I want to spend the rest of my budget on beer and bets. Thanks in advance.
You better sell the ticket and put the $9 on a bet on the White Sox.

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sabre » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:42 pm

The pickoff:

When a runner takes a large leadoff from a base, the pitcher or catcher may quickly throw to the base in an attempt to catch the runner off guard and have the fielder tag the runner out. The link below will show a new technique of the pickoff that was used successfully last night.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10082289

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sir Henry » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:12 pm

The pickoff:

When a runner takes a large leadoff from a base, the pitcher or catcher may quickly throw to the base in an attempt to catch the runner off guard and have the fielder tag the runner out. The link below will show a new technique of the pickoff that was used successfully last night.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10082289

Carl Crawford will remember this for a long time.
But he was safe, wasn't he?

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sabre » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:21 pm

But he was safe, wasn't he?
He got back to the bag on time, but was subsequently tagged out while rolling on the ground clutching his balls. Had he stopped to call time-out, he would have been safe, but I don't think that crossed his mind. Arrieta is credited with a pickoff as the tag was made during a continuous play.

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Verbal » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:57 pm

Doctor, what is your take on the Mariners?
Go Mariners. And take the Seahawks with you.

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sir Henry » Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:55 am

By the way, the Mariners beat the White 2-1 with a 2-run walk off single in the 11th.

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby PurduePilot » Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:56 pm

The first ten innings were boring but the 11th was pretty exciting. The steady beer helped make baseball seem less boring.

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby OldSowBreath » Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:01 pm

I don't know if its true at other parks, but here the cut off beer sales in the 7th inning. Really geat when your in that 12th inning...

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sir Henry » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:22 am

The other day TB Rays' Matt Garzer tossed a no-hitter in the game against the Tigers. However, there was at least one situation where there was a runner on first base (and the defense performed a double play later on). This leads to the question, how the runner got there in the first place when he made no hit? Does that mean that a walk will not spoil the no-hit record? The video highlights on the mlb.com site does not show the situation.

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sabre » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:09 am

The other day TB Rays' Matt Garzer tossed a no-hitter in the game against the Tigers. However, there was at least one situation where there was a runner on first base (and the defense performed a double play later on). This leads to the question, how the runner got there in the first place when he made no hit? Does that mean that a walk will not spoil the no-hit record? The video highlights on the mlb.com site does not show the situation.
Brennan Boesch walked in the 2nd inning; this does not impact the 'no-hitter' as Garza did not give up a hit. Of approximately 260 no-hitters through all of baseball history, only about 20 have been 'Perfect Games' where no runner reaches base by any means.

You can see who did what by going to the game wrap-up, and clicking box score or play-by-play.

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Re: What does "Walk-Off" mean?

Postby Sir Henry » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:03 pm

You can see who did what by going to the game wrap-up, and clicking box score or play-by-play.
There are a lot of abbreviations I am not familiar with.

AB ??? (advanced bases maybe???)
R - Runs
H - Hits
RBI - Runs Batted In
BB???
SO???
LOB???
AVG - Average


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