Southwest Convertible.....

[reubee]

on first

What?

[Dummy Pilot]

What?

Second, of course.

[Giles]

Second, of course.

[Putt4Par]

Here's a question for DP or FB: so you get an alarm in the cockpit indicating you are losing pressurization. Could you briefly describe the procedure in the cockpit? I'd imagine you put your masks on right away before you even find out if it is a faulty alarm. Then evaluate the situation...possible cause, etc.. At what point do you start the emergency descent to 10,000 feet? is it pretty much right away? Do you declare an emergency, ask for clearance, and go down or do you do that as you are going down? Sorry if my questions seem obvious to you but I was trying to imagine what went on in the cockpit of that Southwest airplane.

[3WE]

Here's a question for DP or FB:...

We know you (and Vector) have been absent for a while, but you should remember that Dummy is enjoying a quiet existence, largely free from dealing with incessant, prying questions, and that Flyboy generally does not answer at all, but instead mostly exercises his talent to be a Richard-cranium.

[flyboy2548m]

Here's a question for DP or FB:...

We know you (and Vector) have been absent for a while, but you should remember that Dummy is enjoying a quiet existence, largely free from dealing with incessant, prying questions, and that Flyboy generally does not answer at all, but instead mostly exercises his talent to be a Richard-cranium.

Especially since I can just let Boeing answer that Putt4Par's question.

http://www.smartcockpit.com/pdf/plane/b ... ctor/0057/

[B77W-QOTS]

Here's a question for DP or FB:...

We know you (and Vector) have been absent for a while, but you should remember that Dummy is enjoying a quiet existence, largely free from dealing with incessant, prying questions, and that Flyboy generally does not answer at all, but instead mostly exercises his talent to be a Richard-cranium.

Especially since I can just let Boeing answer that Putt4Par's question.

http://www.smartcockpit.com/pdf/plane/b ... ctor/0057/

That is about as useful as 'tits on a bull' considering it is for a B737NG not a B737-300

[flyboy2548m]

That is about as useful as 'tits on a bull' considering it is for a B737NG not a B737-300

Actually, Marty, you're about as useful as tits on a bull, but we won't go there right now. Outside of different-looking cockpit displays, do you really think the procedure would be appreciably different with a classic?

[B77W-QOTS]

That is about as useful as 'tits on a bull' considering it is for a B737NG not a B737-300

Actually, Marty, you're about as useful as tits on a bull, but we won't go there right now. Outside of different-looking cockpit displays, do you really think the procedure would be appreciably different with a classic?

Completely different aircraft so yes the proceedure would be different. Otherwise that QRG would say all B737 types not just B737NG -700/-800/-900. Its the same with the Boeing bulletin that was issued and aircraft grounded after the incident, it didnt effect B737NG types.

[flyboy2548m]

Completely different aircraft so yes the proceedure would be different. Otherwise that QRG would say all B737 types not just B737NG -700/-800/-900.

You're an idiot, Marty. All 737s are on the same type rating, so "completely different aircraft" my ass. It's a different QRG/QRH, because, as I said, the avionics are different, so the switchology is different, but the basic procedure is the same.

[B77W-QOTS]

Completely different aircraft so yes the proceedure would be different. Otherwise that QRG would say all B737 types not just B737NG -700/-800/-900.

You're an idiot, Marty. All 737s are on the same type rating, so "completely different aircraft" my ass. It's a different QRG/QRH, because, as I said, the avionics are different, so the switchology is different, but the basic procedure is the same.

No they arent, some are HGW some are MGW some are LGW a B737-300 has different engines to a B737NG a B737-700 is different length to a B737-900 as is a B737-500 to a B737-800.

[flyboy2548m]

No they arent, some are HGW some are MGW some are LGW a B737-300 has different engines to a B737NG a B737-700 is different length to a B737-900 as is a B737-500 to a B737-800.

Really, Marty, focus on what you know. Kneecaps, boy, and be quick about it. What are you going to tell me next, that the 772 and 773 are "completely different" aircraft, 'cause, you know, they're "different length"?

[B77W-QOTS]

No they arent, some are HGW some are MGW some are LGW a B737-300 has different engines to a B737NG a B737-700 is different length to a B737-900 as is a B737-500 to a B737-800.

Really, Marty, focus on what you know. Kneecaps, boy, and be quick about it. What are you going to tell me next, that the 772 and 773 are "completely different" aircraft, 'cause, you know, they're "different length"?

They are alot closer than a B737-300 and B737NG

[flyboy2548m]

They are alot closer than a B737-300 and B737NG

Not by your criteria, they're not.

[B77W-QOTS]

They are alot closer than a B737-300 and B737NG

Not by your criteria, they're not.

B737-300 analogue cockpit, different engines B737NG glass cockpit, different engines differing sizes.

[flyboy2548m]

B737-300 analogue cockpit, different engines B737NG glass cockpit, different engines differing sizes.

Actually, the 733 has a "mixed" cockpit, so you're wrong there too:

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php? ... 633&nseq=0

They're not different engines, they're different versions of the same engine (think Chevy, sorry, Holden 5.0 vs 5.7), and a stretch (or a shortening) doesn't make a "completely different" aircraft, certainly not with respect to emergency descent procedures.

[B77W-QOTS]

B737-300 analogue cockpit, different engines B737NG glass cockpit, different engines differing sizes.

Actually, the 733 has a "mixed" cockpit, so you're wrong there too:

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php? ... 633&nseq=0

They're not different engines, they're different versions of the same engine (think Chevy, sorry, Holden 5.0 vs 5.7), and a stretch (or a shortening) doesn't make a "completely different" aircraft, certainly not with respect to emergency descent procedures.

In December 2008, Southwest Airlines selected Boeing to retrofit the 737-300 with a new set of instruments, hardware and software, in order to improve commonality with the 737-700, as well as to support the Required Navigation Performance initiative.

[flyboy2548m]

In December 2008, Southwest Airlines selected Boeing to retrofit the 737-300 with a new set of instruments, hardware and software, in order to improve commonality with the 737-700, as well as to support the Required Navigation Performance initiative.

And that affects emergency descent procedures how exactly?

[B77W-QOTS]

In December 2008, Southwest Airlines selected Boeing to retrofit the 737-300 with a new set of instruments, hardware and software, in order to improve commonality with the 737-700, as well as to support the Required Navigation Performance initiative.

And that affects emergency descent procedures how exactly?

That just shows they are different in many ways, clearly there would be a QRG for all B737 types if they were the same, you gave us a link for the QRG for the B737NG.

[Sir Gallivant]

Marty, if you are going down the highway at 50 mph in a Ferrari 208 and have a puncture, what would you do?
And what would you do different if it is in a Fiat 500?

Completely different cars, basically same procedure, no?
So even if you can't agree on how much a 300 has in common with an NG, you have to wonder if at least the basic procedure is common, regardless of aircraft type

[flyboy2548m]

Marty, if you are going down the highway at 50 mph in a Ferrari 208 and have a puncture, what would you do?
And what would you do different if it is in a Fiat 500?

Completely different cars, basically same procedure, no?
So even if you can't agree on how much a 300 has in common with an NG, you have to wonder if at least the basic procedure is common, regardless of aircraft type

Actually, Marty is trying to tell us that the procedure would be different not only between a Ferrari and a Fiat, but even between, say, a 512BB and a 512BBi, because they're "completely different" and have "completely different" owner's manuals.

[flyboy2548m]

That just shows they are different in many ways, clearly there would be a QRG for all B737 types if they were the same, you gave us a link for the QRG for the B737NG.

Is there some law that says different QRGs can't have some of the same procedures in them? Or, for that matter, that actual different aircraft can't have some of the same procedures? Fine, Marty, you've convinced me: the CLs and NGs aren't even similar. But here's another pair of completely different aircraft: the A320 and A330.

Emer descent for the 320:

http://www.smartcockpit.com/pdf/plane/a ... ctor/0014/

Emer descent for the 330:

http://www.smartcockpit.com/pdf/plane/a ... ctor/0014/

Incidentally, that last page seems to actually be for the A340 (note the number of thrust levers), but even you would have to admit the procedures are surprisingly similar.

I don't know where you get off arguing with me about piloting, I don't argue with you about chucking bags.

[B77W-QOTS]

That just shows they are different in many ways, clearly there would be a QRG for all B737 types if they were the same, you gave us a link for the QRG for the B737NG.

Is there some law that says different QRGs can't have some of the same procedures in them? Or, for that matter, that actual different aircraft can't have some of the same procedures? Fine, Marty, you've convinced me: the CLs and NGs aren't even similar. But here's another pair of completely different aircraft: the A320 and A330.

Emer descent for the 320:

http://www.smartcockpit.com/pdf/plane/a ... ctor/0014/

Emer descent for the 330:

http://www.smartcockpit.com/pdf/plane/a ... ctor/0014/

Incidentally, that last page seems to actually be for the A340 (note the number of thrust levers), but even you would have to admit the procedures are surprisingly similar.

I don't know where you get off arguing with me about piloting, I don't argue with you about chucking bags.

I not arguing with you about your ability as pilot (where was that ever mentioned) All Im saying is that was a QRG for a B737NG not a B737 Classic and the difference between the two types extend quite deep.

[flyboy2548m]

See, Putt4Par, that's why I don't answer stuff anymore. I end up arguing with two-bit bagchuckers who failed as a moderator about what's deep and what's not so deep. Not worth it, man, just not worth it, even for someone who makes as little as I do.

[Sir Gallivant]

Another point could be that Putt4Par never asked specifically for one type of aircraft or another, DP and FB don't fly the same aircraft (afaik), so the answer sought was likely very generic and thus (almost) any manual should be good to answer the question. (Provided it is a manual for a pressurised aircraft, of course)