Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby B77W-QOTS » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:42 am

Unfortunately this will be the first A380 write off, latest information from Airbus says that in order for the repair to go ahead both wings are required to be replaced, which blows the repair costs out of the water and makes it unviable to either Qantas or the insurers, also SQ are putting pressure on as they require the hangar that the A380 is in back for thier own maintenance requirements.
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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Hazmat » Mon May 02, 2011 2:37 am

Unfortunately this will be the first A380 write off, latest information from Airbus says that in order for the repair to go ahead both wings are required to be replaced, which blows the repair costs out of the water and makes it unviable to either Qantas or the insurers, also SQ are putting pressure on as they require the hangar that the A380 is in back for thier own maintenance requirements.
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BBQ, no seriously from a Qantas enginner friend of mine.
Not that a write-off would be outside the realms of possibilities but I think your BBQ budy might be a bit premature.
As late as yesterday , QF's CEO Alan Joyce was pretty clear that "While the plane damaged in the explosion is still out of service Joyce said it may resume flying later this year."


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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby B77W-QOTS » Mon May 02, 2011 11:58 pm


Not that a write-off would be outside the realms of possibilities but I think your BBQ budy might be a bit premature.
As late as yesterday , QF's CEO Alan Joyce was pretty clear that "While the plane damaged in the explosion is still out of service Joyce said it may resume flying later this year."


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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Verbal » Tue May 10, 2011 12:04 am

Unfortunately this will be the first A380 write off, latest information from Airbus says that in order for the repair to go ahead both wings are required to be replaced, which blows the repair costs out of the water and makes it unviable to either Qantas or the insurers, also SQ are putting pressure on as they require the hangar that the A380 is in back for thier own maintenance requirements.
Not sure where the requirement to replace both wings is coming from, but I can certainly parlor-talk the possibilities.

1) I assume the airplane in question is one of the early-build A380s that had to have the wings strengthened following the ultimate test failure. Airbus would have to replicate a wing it no longer builds. That is, they would have to build a wing with the old structural configuration, then add the bits to strengthen it. Airbus may have gotten rid of all the tooling to do that, and to replicate it for one wing would be cost prohibitive.

2) Why not simply put a current (permanent design fix) wing on the left side of the airplane? Good question. This could potentially create a weight and stiffness (wing shape in flight) imbalance. To correct for the asymmetry, the airplane would have to fly with control surfaces deflected slightly for the airplane to maintain steady level cruise. This hurts fuel burn, and you may wind up with an airplane that misses its performance guarantees.

3) The A380 is certified for both wings that are strengthened, and both wings that have the redesign. But not for one type of wing on one side of the airplane and another type of wing on the other. So they would have potentially have to jump through a bunch of certification hoops for an airplane that is a one-off. Very cost prohibitive.

Right then. Back to the petty bickering.
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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Sickbag » Tue May 10, 2011 7:26 am


Right then. Back to the petty bickering.

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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Not_Karl » Tue May 10, 2011 10:17 am

Idiot.
You rang?
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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Verbal » Tue May 10, 2011 10:55 pm

Idiot.
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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Sickbag » Wed May 11, 2011 7:22 am

Are you Mrs. Verbal?


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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Verbal » Wed May 11, 2011 2:26 pm

Oh god. I just peed my pants.
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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby PurduePilot » Wed May 11, 2011 9:39 pm

Oh god. I just peed my pants.
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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Verbal » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:04 pm

Looks like some money is changing hands.
Damaged Qantas A380 Refurbishment Underway
Aviation Week.com 06/28/2011
Author: Guy Norris

Work to return to service the Qantas Airbus A380 damaged in last November’s uncontained engine failure is underway in Singapore.

The aircraft, which was substantially damaged when the number two Rolls-Royce Trent 900 shed a turbine disc, is about to be placed on stress jacks for major repairs to the wing and fuselage. Work will likely include replacement or repairs to the number one engine nacelle adjacent to the number two engine which was destroyed. The number two engine and nacelle is also being replaced.

According to industry sources the engineering team aim to get the aircraft flightworthy by year end, with a first test flight provisionally planned for January 6, 2012.

Pending successful tests the repaired A380 is expected to be repatriated to Australia in February - some 16 months after the incident.

The start of repair work, covered under an Aus $135 million insurance claim, puts a final end to speculation that the A380 would be written off. Airbus meanwhile declines to comment on the implications for possible longer term redesign as a result of lessons learned from the incident.

A380 product marketing director Richard Carcaillet says “the two preliminary reports so far have focused on the engine event. However if there are any lessons for systems and procedures then we will take action. But with the co-operation of Rolls-Royce we have put a line of defense into the Fadec (full authority digital engine control), so that in the event of detecting a similar condition it will shut down quickly,” he adds.

Rolls has “now inspected and modified the whole fleet,” says Carcallet. For the moment the fix is the revised Fadec software, though longer term design changes are also underway to the engine, he adds.

The updated software commands an engine shut down if it detects the threat of an intermediate high pressure turbine overspeed occurring. Rolls is meanwhile working on a longer-term redesign of the Trent 900 oil system, a fire in which triggered the event.

Rolls-Royce has also agreed to pay (US) $100.5 million compensation to Qantas.
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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby flyboy2548m » Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:40 am

Didn't the work already "commence" like five times?
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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Giles » Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:44 am

Didn't the work already "commence" like five times?
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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Not_Karl » Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:45 am

Looks like some money is changing hands.
Damaged Qantas A380 Refurbishment Underway
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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Giles » Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:22 am

hahaha. good one! :clap:
speaking of money changing hands.

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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby B77W-QOTS » Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:55 am

Looks like some money is changing hands.
Damaged Qantas A380 Refurbishment Underway
(...)
B77W-QOTS has also agreed to pay (AUS) $100 compensation to Giles.
Fixed.

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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Gabriel » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:58 pm

Returning to service in March.
Test flights in February.
Flyboy appointed test pilot.

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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby 3WE » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:39 am

...Flyboy appointed test pilot.
If that were true- I'm thinking there's a real chance he'd conspire with you (fake licenses, pics, etc) and coach you to let you take the flight.
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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby OldSowBreath » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:04 pm

They should have just turned it into a diner.

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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Verbal » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:41 pm

Wild-ass prediction: this airplane is 6-12 months away from returning to service.
I was overly optimistic.
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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Procede » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:59 pm

Wild-ass prediction: this airplane is 6-12 months away from returning to service.
I was overly optimistic.
You were close, but it should have been 6+12.

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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby Gabriel » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:03 pm

Wild-ass prediction: this airplane is 6-12 months away from returning to service.
I was overly optimistic.
You didn't miss it by so much as those who said that it would never ever fly again.

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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby GlennAB1 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:18 pm

Should have had Boeing do the repair...
you still have to find a crew willing to fly this "barely airworthy" heap
no such thing as "barely airworthy" it's either Airworthy or Not
100% incorrect Ever hear of Ferry Permit? issued for Non airworthy aircraft
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Re: Qantas A380 emergency landing in SIN

Postby reubee » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:01 pm

unfortunately this will be the first A380 hull loss and also the first jet hull loss for Qantas.
Marty- for several years you have been making predictions which havent come true... Lets put a wager on this... $100 US? (which might as well be $100 AUD).
If its a $100 US I will run with that :D

Giles have a think about it, the wing has been severley damaged, upto 10 tonnes of fuel leaked out, all hydrolics, operating functions in the wing lost, the excessive weight of extra fuel carried and a complicated landing in SIN.

The wing needs replacing, whats the now cost of getting a wing in one piece plus all the equipment required to SIN and the equipment to remove/install a new wing and all back again to europe???

we will be discussing this over a beer in the near future ;)
I was wondering if the bet will be paid now that VH-OQA flew today. However looking at the wording ...

first A380 hull loss and also the first jet hull loss for Qantas

... we could be waiting a while.
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