Italian cruise ship runs aground

[Verbal]

I'm king of the world!

[Sickbag]

To continue the analogy, the ship is like a showgirl. Large superstructure, smaller hips and legs.

...and it has a very large gash near the bottom.

[Not_Karl]

Can a ship sink on a conveyor belt?

...don't you mean float on a conveyor belt?

I was thinking of "sink" as the opposite of "take off", but your question is also valid.

[Sabre]

Per,

What do you make of the location of the damage? To me is seems a bit peculiar that the damage is so far aft, with no damage further forward on the hull. The rock seems to be pretty deeply embedded, so wouldn't there have to be fairly significant lateral movement?

What would cause such movement? Turning? Yawing (or whatever the appropriate nautical term may be) due to current? Maybe not adrift, but perhaps not under full control?

I also see the stabilizer is fully extended, yet untouched. Granted, that could have happened after smashing into the rocks; although I don't see a reason they would do that.

Thanks,
Glenn

[Ancient Mariner]

Per,

What do you make of the location of the damage? To me is seems a bit peculiar that the damage is so far aft, with no damage further forward on the hull. The rock seems to be pretty deeply embedded, so wouldn't there have to be fairly significant lateral movement?

What would cause such movement? Turning? Yawing (or whatever the appropriate nautical term may be) due to current? Maybe not adrift, but perhaps not under full control?

I also see the stabilizer is fully extended, yet untouched. Granted, that could have happened after smashing into the rocks; although I don't see a reason they would do that.

Thanks,
Glenn

Hard to tell, but I've read on other sites that afte the initial grounding they dropped anchor and swung around. Maybe even using engine astern. They also have plenty of bow and stern thrusters and might have used them a bit much during the chaos I would guess reigned on the bridge.
Per

[Sickbag]

How come the hole is on the side of the boat that remains out of the water?

[Ancient Mariner]

How come the hole is on the side of the boat that remains out of the water?

That side hit the rocks. What is on the other side?
Per

[Sickbag]

Dead people.

[Ancient Mariner]

Dead people.

Evens out then.
Per

[PurduePilot]

Can you explain to me what you mean by too much stability in a ship?

In simple terms. If a ship us too stable too much of the weight is at the bottom, i.e. the center of gravity is too low and the the roll period (time for extreme starbord to port or vice versa) is too quick. Makes for a rather safe, but extremely umcomfortable ship. We had people braking arms and legs in the shower, we also lost a lot of cargo overboard as the lashings could not withstand the G-forces. Less stable, slower and more comfortable. (And slightly less safe )
Per

Makes sense to me. Thanks.


Lots of good pictures http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012 ... ia/100224/

[Ancient Mariner]

Can you explain to me what you mean by too much stability in a ship?

In simple terms. If a ship us too stable too much of the weight is at the bottom, i.e. the center of gravity is too low and the the roll period (time for extreme starbord to port or vice versa) is too quick. Makes for a rather safe, but extremely umcomfortable ship. We had people braking arms and legs in the shower, we also lost a lot of cargo overboard as the lashings could not withstand the G-forces. Less stable, slower and more comfortable. (And slightly less safe )
Per

Makes sense to me. Thanks.


Lots of good pictures http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012 ... ia/100224/

Except for the "braking" bit, I guess.
Per

[Marc 1]

I think the captain's next words will be: "Would you like fries with that?"

Correction: The next words the captain will hear are: "Welcome to my cell, do you want to be the mummy or the daddy?"

[3WE]

The popular press has not really discussed timelines.

How long from the collision to:

-Evacuation orders
-The beginning of the listing
-When crap started sliding
-When the boat finally settled

[Thunder Down Under]

Saw this vessel at Civitavecchia a few months ago. I thought then that it was ugly as a hatful of arseholes. Doesn't look any better now. I just know that it is going to take some 'contagious' to pick it up.

TDU

[Rabbi O'Genius]

Meanwhile, satellite tracking information given to the BBC by the shipping journal, Lloyd's List Intelligence, shows that the Costa Concordia sailed closer to Giglio island on a cruise last August than it did on its disastrous voyage on Friday.

Lloyd's List told the BBC that the vessel passed within 230m of the island on 14 August 2011 to mark La Notte di San Lorenzo - the night of the shooting stars festival on the island.

The route deviation on that occasion had apparently been authorised by Costa Cruises - the company which owns the vessel.

source BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16606405

[Rabbi O'Genius]

and some video of previous close pass.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16607837

[Ancient Mariner]

So what if she passed close, as long as she has water beneath the keel and doesn't break any lane separation or other rules she'll be OK. Jeez..........
Per

[OldSowBreath]

Thank God they were close to land when they ran aground!

[Peter_K]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... p-hit.html

A mystery woman was on the bridge alongside cowardly captain Francesco Schettino when his ship ran aground off an Italian island on Friday night, it emerged today.

The blonde woman is a 25-year-old Moldovan crew member who was not properly identified by investigators as she reportedly did not appear on any official manifest for the Costa Concordia.

She is passenger rep Domnica Cemortan, possibly hired without a proper contract. Reports speculated she may have been on the bridge because Schettino was trying to impress her.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1jvaHmrSe

I think she might have pulled the rope a bit too hard.

[Verbal]

"Wow, you sank the ship, Captain! I'm impressed!"

[Not_Karl]

Reports speculated she may have been on the bridge because Schettino was trying to impress her.

What's the maritime equivalent of doing burnouts and going 160MPH on the highway?

[Sickbag]

I feel sorry for the man, after the trial, which will expose his ill judgement,lack of seamanship and general all round cowardice, the only job that will be open to him is as an admiral in the Italian Navy.

[Peter_K]

What's the maritime equivalent of doing burnouts and going 160MPH on the highway?

I think Per earlier in this thread called it dropping an anchor to swing around while simultaneously applying the thrusters, or something like that.

[Peter_K]

I feel sorry for the man, after the trial, which will expose his ill judgement,lack of seamanship and general all round cowardice, the only job that will be open to him is as an admiral in the Italian Navy.

I hope they put him in charge of submarines. He has some experience in that field.

[monchavo]

The part that makes the most money in the ship is the white bit that sits above the water, the part that doesn't make money is the red bit that sits under the water. When they built this boat they wanted to make as much money as possible so they made the white bit as big as they could, they tried to save money so they they made the red bit as small as they thought they could get away with.

Not correct, nor does it matter. The problem here was the moving white bits on the bridge, also known as Italian officers, almost on par with their Greek brethren. One is not impressed by eithers performance.
Per

Per, this is compelling listening. Recording of the coastguard balling out Shittino (sic) after he "trips" into a lifeboat and is "co-ordinating" the rescue from there.... with c.300 passengers still on the ship, and reportedly, the purser midships pulling folk out.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ja ... rd-captain

Now, obviously we have the cultural issue of the Italian coastguard being rather animated and excitable, but in massive contrast is Schettino's dithering replies, muffled speech and laggardly, odd behaviour.