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This is why we need circular runways

Postby elaw » Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:29 pm

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Re: This is why we need circular runways

Postby 3WE » Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:01 pm

Obligatory Replies:
Sorry to steal Not_Karl’s reply.

Official AD: No, the solution is treadmills

Not_Karl: Ban runways, all aviation and maybe everything.

Evanie: Not_Western aviation is on my no-fly list.

3BS, the amateur statistician: Extremely unlikely, that was random, I blame squid mind control nanoprobes and GMO cornflakes.

There: Time to close the thread. Fortunately, Monchie is much cooler.
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Re: This is why we need circular runways

Postby Gabriel » Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:30 pm

Two planes. Same airport. Same runway. Same day. Same airplane type. Same problem (gear collapse and veering off runway).
What are the odds of these 2 events happening independently?
Sounds bad for ETOPS which relies in 2 engines NOT_failing independently.

https://avherald.com/h?article=511c07f6&opt=0
https://avherald.com/h?article=511c0a87&opt=0

(Different airlines and phases of flight though, one was during take-off, the other during landing.)

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Re: This is why we need circular runways

Postby elaw » Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:05 pm

Two planes. Same airport. Same runway. Same day. Same airplane type. Same problem (gear collapse and veering off runway).
What are the odds of these 2 events happening independently?
Sounds bad for ETOPS which relies in 2 engines NOT_failing independently.

https://avherald.com/h?article=511c07f6&opt=0
https://avherald.com/h?article=511c0a87&opt=0

(Different airlines and phases of flight though, one was during take-off, the other during landing.)
What was that incident where an a/c almost crashed due to loss of power, because a worker mistakenly put way too much of a mold-killing additive into the fuel tanks?
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Re: This is why we need circular runways

Postby Gabriel » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:41 pm

Two planes. Same airport. Same runway. Same day. Same airplane type. Same problem (gear collapse and veering off runway).
What are the odds of these 2 events happening independently?
Sounds bad for ETOPS which relies in 2 engines NOT_failing independently.

https://avherald.com/h?article=511c07f6&opt=0
https://avherald.com/h?article=511c0a87&opt=0

(Different airlines and phases of flight though, one was during take-off, the other during landing.)
What was that incident where an a/c almost crashed due to loss of power, because a worker mistakenly put way too much of a mold-killing additive into the fuel tanks?
There were several instances of multiple engines (including jet engines) failing for the same or related reason: Fuel contamination, fuel exhaustion, volcanic hashes, one engine fails and the crew shuts down the wrong one, and more.

I've never heard of a single incident or accident of 2 jet (or turbofan) engines independently failing in the same flight.

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Additional Obligatory Comments

Postby 3WE » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:50 pm

What are the odds of these 2 events happening independently?
These events are not necessarily independent. They are both linked to aircraft attempting a takeoffs. A very powerful contributing factor.

We cannot rule out a potential micro-meteor collision for one or both of these.

We should wait for the final reports.
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Re: Additional Obligatory Comments

Postby Gabriel » Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:54 pm

What are the odds of these 2 events happening independently?
These events are not necessarily independent. They are both linked to aircraft attempting a takeoffs.[/quote

No.
Gabe: Different airlines and phases of flight though, one was during take-off, the other during landing
We cannot rule out a potential micro-meteor collision for both of these.
One micro-meteor hitting both? That would not be independent but what are the odds? (answer: smaller than the odds one micro-meteor hitting one plane)
One micro-meteor hitting each? That would still be independent.

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Re: Additional Obligatory Comments

Postby Not_Karl » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:42 pm

One micro-meteor hitting both? That would not be independent but what are the odds? (answer: smaller than the odds one micro-meteor hitting one plane)
One micro-meteor hitting each? That would still be independent.
What if the two micro-meteorites were fragments from the same meteor, disintegrated by our atmosphere?
Two planes. Same airport. Same runway. Same day. Same airplane type. Same problem (gear collapse and veering off runway).
Lots of things to ban.
Sorry to steal Not_Karl’s reply.
No problemo.
Official AD: No, the solution is treadmills
What about circular treadmills?
Not_Karl: Ban runways, all aviation and maybe everything.
INDEED.
Evanie: Not_Western aviation is on my no-fly list.
I would Not_discard a confusion between the gear automation modes of the EMB-120-200 vs. the EMB-120-236A.
3BS, the amateur statistician: Extremely unlikely, that was random, I blame squid mind control nanoprobes and GMO cornflakes.
CONCUR.
There: Time to close the thread.
And remind us that there is a photography, Not_an aeroplanie forum.
We should wait for the final reports.
CONCUR.
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Re: Additional Obligatory Comments

Postby elaw » Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:23 am

What about circular treadmills?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/b5SHawxrpic
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Re: Additional Obligatory Comments

Postby 3WE » Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:53 pm

Sorry to steal Not_Karl’s reply.
No problemo.
According to my Puerto Rican friend:
No hay problemo
Whoo iso correctamundo?

Sum, es est
Summo estes sunt


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Re: Additional Obligatory Comments

Postby ocelot » Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:30 pm


Sum, es est
Sumus estis sunt

Emendatum.

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Re: This is why we need circular runways

Postby ocelot » Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:32 pm

(Different airlines and phases of flight though, one was during take-off, the other during landing.)
Also, different broken stuff.

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Re: Additional Obligatory Comments

Postby Not_Karl » Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:21 am

Whoo iso correctamundo?
Neither. Correct phrase is "no hay problema".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX_hf-KBIkk
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Latino por Oceloto

Postby 3WE » Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:50 pm


Sum, es est
Sumus estis sunt

Emendatum.
grātiās tibi agō

Did I ever say that I hated Latin and that languages (all of them, incliding Ingles) are not my forte?
A wise person:

Latin is a dead language,
as dead as it can be.

First it killed the Romans,
and now it's killing me.
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Espanol por 3BSO

Postby 3WE » Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:55 pm

Whoo iso correctamundo?
Neither. Correct phrase is "no hay problema".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX_hf-KBIkk
Seeo posto arribo. Gracias por el video instructo de Alfo.
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F.A. O.: Gabriel and Ocelot

Postby 3WE » Mon Dec 04, 2023 1:06 pm

(Different airlines and phases of flight though, one was during take-off, the other during landing.)
Also, different broken stuff.
Ok techies: I think [not_italilcs]we understand independent events, like [not_italilcs]we undestand a limited need to wait for the final report.

But in your quest for mathematogical correctness, you are missing common, strongly linked contributing factors such as placing pilots in cockpits, executing takeoffs, fuel in tanks, putting humans on Earth, allowing people out of bubbles to operate bicycles and experiencing the risky fun of high-speed travel, meteors and non-Western Aviation Safety cultures.. Ban those things and it will likely make a big difference in these and most other crashes.
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Re: Additional Obligatory Comments

Postby Gabriel » Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:34 pm

Whoo iso correctamundo?
Neither. Correct phrase is "no hay problema".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX_hf-KBIkk
Right, problema is a girl. Or a girl is problema? Ok something like that.

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Re: Latino por Oceloto

Postby Not_Karl » Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:28 am

Did I ever say that I hated Latin and that languages (all of them, incliding Ingles) are not my forte?
A wise person:

Ban ALL languages.
Fixed.
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Re: F.A. O.: Gabriel and Ocelot

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Re: F.A. O.: Gabriel and Ocelot

Postby Gabriel » Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:17 am

Is there an Oscar for photos? That one deserves it!

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Amazing SkyPhoto indeed, but...

Postby Not_Karl » Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:42 am

Is there an Oscar for photos? That one deserves it!
Are you joking? There are at least 99 trillion reasons for it to be rejected there.
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Re: Amazing SkyPhoto indeed, but...

Postby 3WE » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:13 pm

[meteor winglet photo]
[Like]
there.
There?

Jet pictures: Indeed.
Meteor pictures: Star and Airplane clutter
Star pictures: Meteor and Airplane clutter
3BS 1/3-2/3 composure: Yep, it’s not there
Manipulation: Probably so.

Finally- a favorite question: What’s the difference between a lucky snapshot and a good photograph?
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Re: F.A. O.: Gabriel and Ocelot

Postby ocelot » Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:57 am

Is there an Oscar for photos? That one deserves it!
Being carried on APOD can be considered an award...


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