Middle East peace envoy advocates war on Iran

[Sickbag]

World leaders might have to go to war to stop Iran developing its weapons programme, Tony Blair suggested yesterday.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 008985.ece

What a cunt.

[Putt4Par]

World leaders might have to go to war to stop Iran developing its weapons programme, Tony Blair suggested yesterday.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 008985.ece

What a cunt.

So what do you suggest?. Let them build nuclear weapons so that they can use them to wipe out Israel and attack the great Satan (U.S.) as he has promised he will?

[Ancient Mariner]

World leaders might have to go to war to stop Iran developing its weapons programme, Tony Blair suggested yesterday.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 008985.ece

What a cunt.

So what do you suggest?. Let them build nuclear weapons so that they can use them to wipe out Israel and attack the great Satan (U.S.) as he has promised he will?

Absolutely, great idea.
Can't wait to get rid of those war criminals.
Per

[Sickbag]

So what do you suggest?. Let them build nuclear weapons so that they can use them to wipe out Israel and attack the great Satan (U.S.) as he has promised he will?

Where to begin? Contrary to Blair and other neo cons
Iran is not building nuclear weapons. They do not want to wipe out Israel.nor do not want attack the USA.

If Israel or the US does instigate an attack on Iran, which will only be a pin prick and not serve to topple the current regime, then they will develop their nuclear programme into weapons, and they will instigate reprisals through their proxies against the attackers as they have done in the past.


BTW why aren't we attacking North Korea which does have Nuclear weapons?

Next.

[Marc 1]

BTW why aren't we attacking North Korea which does have Nuclear weapons?

Next.

Because North Korea is not sitting on an ocean of oil says the cynic in me...

[tds]

BTW why aren't we attacking North Korea which does have Nuclear weapons?

Because North Korea is not sitting on an ocean of oil says the cynic in me...

I think the answer is contained in the question!

[Putt4Par]

So what do you suggest?. Let them build nuclear weapons so that they can use them to wipe out Israel and attack the great Satan (U.S.) as he has promised he will?

Where to begin? Contrary to Blair and other neo cons
Iran is not building nuclear weapons. They do not want to wipe out Israel.nor do not want attack the USA.

If Israel or the US does instigate an attack on Iran, which will only be a pin prick and not serve to topple the current regime, then they will develop their nuclear programme into weapons, and they will instigate reprisals through their proxies against the attackers as they have done in the past.


BTW why aren't we attacking North Korea which does have Nuclear weapons?

Next.

North Korea is not a real threat. They want food and trade. Iran is a threat. Their fight is religious and that is more dangerous. Iran doesn't want to wipe out Israel? I guess their dictator was lying when he said exactly that. And Santa Claus is real.

[tds]

North Korea is not a real threat. They want food and trade. Iran is a threat. Their fight is religious and that is more dangerous. Iran doesn't want to wipe out Israel? I guess their dictator was lying when he said exactly that. And Santa Claus is real.

Ahmedinejad isn't really a dictator. It's also somewhat debatable whether or not he 'said exactly that', or at least said it in the literal sense in which some of the media reported it (which isn't to say that I don't find him an unpleasant individual).

[Ancient Mariner]

Iran doesn't want to wipe out Israel?

So what's that to you?
And Santa Claus is not real, he's American.
Per

[Sickbag]

North Korea is not a real threat. They want food and trade. Iran is a threat. Their fight is religious and that is more dangerous. Iran doesn't want to wipe out Israel? I guess their dictator was lying when he said exactly that. And Santa Claus is real.

The president of Iran is not a dictator , however much you may wish him to be, he was 'elected' in a far more fairer method then almost any of the heads of state that constitute the US allies in the region, and the sad thing is this is true even through it looks like that election was seriously flawed.

[David Hilditch]

Iran is a threat. Their fight is religious and that is more dangerous. Iran doesn't want to wipe out Israel? I guess their dictator was lying when he said exactly that. And Santa Claus is real.

I think, as usual, you're falling hostage to the usual black-and-white simplicities of media "analysis". I would far rather trust Iran with nuclear weapons than, say, Pakistan, which is supposedly a US ally yet one which seems more likely to "distribute" such weaponry to undesirables hostile to Western interests.

In addition, we may want to consider whether a nuclear Iran might be advantageous to American interests, eg. it might bring Israel and the Palestinians closer together, it may stimulate reforms in some other Middle Eastern nations, and it might make Iran a more responsible regional nation.

[Ancient Mariner]

Iran is a threat. Their fight is religious and that is more dangerous. Iran doesn't want to wipe out Israel? I guess their dictator was lying when he said exactly that. And Santa Claus is real.

I think, as usual, you're falling hostage to the usual black-and-white simplicities of media "analysis". I would far rather trust Iran with nuclear weapons than, say, Pakistan, which is supposedly a US ally yet one which seems more likely to "distribute" such weaponry to undesirables hostile to Western interests.

In addition, we may want to consider whether a nuclear Iran might be advantageous to American interests, eg. it might bring Israel and the Palestinians closer together, it may stimulate reforms in some other Middle Eastern nations, and it might make Iran a more responsible regional nation.

I would not bet my life savings (then again....what life savings? ) on those in power adopting your views, David. That would require independent thinking, not something most of them are capable of.
Per

[David Hilditch]

I would not bet my life savings (then again....what life savings? ) on those in power adopting your views, David. That would require independent thinking, not something most of them are capable of.
Per

You might be surprised at how much critical and independent thinking exists in this country at the margins of the governmental power system, such as the think tank/media/academic/intelligence/military/K Street/industrial complex. However, this is all too fragmented and often lacks the respect of the legislative and executive branches of government, who represent the views and the ideals of a larger and more poorly educated electorate (which, to be fair, is mostly concerned about jobs, health and retirement security these days).

On the other hand, maybe there's hope. The federal Government in Washington has been shut down for the past week due to three separate snowstorms one after the other, and there's a raging blizzard here right now as I type. So perhaps this proves the world can function without the US Government, and maybe those with independent thinking can rise to the surface. OK, maybe not.

[Verbal]

The president of Iran is not a dictator , however much you may wish him to be, he was 'elected' in a far more fairer method then almost any of the heads of state that constitute the US allies in the region, and the sad thing is this is true even through it looks like that election was seriously flawed.

If Iran is not a dictatorship, then how do you explain this?

Iran obstructing links to outside world, opposition members say
By Ivan Watson, CNN
February 10, 2010 4:52 p.m. EST

(CNN) -- Iranian authorities have imposed a virtual information blockade after opposition leaders issued a call for supporters to take to the streets during an important government anniversary on Thursday, people inside the country are saying.

Residents of the Iranian capital said Wednesday that text messages on many messaging services have been blocked and Internet speeds have slowed to a crawl.

The Internet "comes on only a few minutes each day, but you never know when," one Iranian wrote in an e-mail to CNN, which he said took seven hours to send. "This has been going on for more than four days now. I contacted my Internet provider and they said it is out of their control."

More ominously, human rights groups and opposition Web sites have reported widespread arrests targeting journalists.

According to the Paris-based journalism watchdog Reporters Without Borders, at least eight journalists were arrested Sunday and Monday, bringing the total number of reporters now in prison to at least 65.

"They have arrested everybody," said Nooshabeh Amiri, a journalist who fled Iran five years ago and now writes for the Persian Web site Rooz online from exile in Paris. Amiri said some of her former colleagues are trying to flee Iran.

"Just this morning I helped somebody leave through Iraq," she said.

Meanwhile, Iranian security officers have put out a steady drumbeat of warnings, announcing they will not tolerate opposition protesters during state-sponsored celebrations Thursday, the 31st anniversary of the foundation of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

"People's massive participation in 22 Bahman (February 11) rallies will thwart the plots hatched by the enemies to disturb the national ceremony, and enemies will have no opportunity for maneuvering and presenting themselves," Police Chief Brig. Gen. Ahmadi Moqaddam said, according to the state-backed Fars News Agency.

On January 28, authorities executed two opposition activists after convicting them of being "mohareb," or enemies of God.

On Tuesday, a court sentenced another activist to death. At least 10 opposition members now await execution.

"Our phones are strictly followed and controlled," said one young Iranian who participated in past protests, during a phone conversation from Tehran. Speaking on condition of anonymity, the Iranian said that for the first time the satellite television signals in his neighborhood had been jammed.

[Verbal]

In addition, we may want to consider whether a nuclear Iran might be advantageous to American interests, eg. it might bring Israel and the Palestinians closer together, it may stimulate reforms in some other Middle Eastern nations, and it might make Iran a more responsible regional nation.

I'm trying to parse the information in this paragraph. Nope. Nothing. It could use some elaboration. Like how the presence of nuclear warheads in Iran will cause Jews and Palestinians to join hands and sing Kumbaya. For starters.

[Sickbag]

If Iran is not a dictatorship, then how do you explain this?

If you knew anything about the subject you would know Iran is a theocracy in nature. Amerdinajan, rather then being a dictator is more a puppet figure representing the interests of more powerful organisations, you know , a bit like an American president, but with less sway.

The internal crackdown is in part a response to the fear of a CIA funded stragey to topple the current regime, as described by the highly radical and anti american newspaper , the Daily Telegragh a few years ago :

US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran.
America is secretly funding militant ethnic separatist groups in Iran in an attempt to pile pressure on the Islamic regime to give up its nuclear programme.

[David Hilditch]

I'm trying to parse the information in this paragraph. Nope. Nothing. It could use some elaboration. Like how the presence of nuclear warheads in Iran will cause Jews and Palestinians to join hands and sing Kumbaya. For starters.

In brief, if there were a nuclear attack on Israel, the result could obviously seriously affect the Palestinian West Bank areas. Even the threat of this could lead to closer relations between the two sides and be a catalyst for reconciliation. Already, Israel is quietly sharing intelligence information on Iran with Arab neighbors.

[Ancient Mariner]

Many Israelis live outside Israel territory on occupied soil so in order to nuke with success you must expect some collateral damage. The collateree are not happy with that and might discuss with the real nukees how to avoid being collateralized. Lo and behold they are having peace talks on common ground. Maybe they even learn to like each other. There are rumours of other miracles in that area already.
Per

[Sickbag]

There are rumours of other miracles in that area already.
Per

Indeed, mostly miracles of unbelievable stupidity, however.

A group of Palestinians descended from 15 of Jerusalem's oldest Arab families lodged a protest with the UN today in a fresh effort to prevent the construction of a "Museum of Tolerance" on the site of an ancient Muslim cemetery.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/fe ... m-cemetery

[Ancient Mariner]

There are rumours of other miracles in that area already.
Per

Indeed, mostly miracles of unbelievable stupidity, however.

A group of Palestinians descended from 15 of Jerusalem's oldest Arab families lodged a protest with the UN today in a fresh effort to prevent the construction of a "Museum of Tolerance" on the site of an ancient Muslim cemetery.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/fe ... m-cemetery

Israel - Tolerance - Oxymoron
Per

[Verbal]

The internal crackdown is in part a response to the fear of a CIA funded stragey to topple the current regime, as described by the highly radical and anti american newspaper , the Daily Telegragh a few years ago....

And what flavor of Kool-Aid was that one?

[Sickbag]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Iran.html

[Sickbag]

http://www.economist.com/world/middleea ... d=15502383

Western spooks are undoubtedly trying to thwart Iran’s nuclear ambitions. There are stories of dodgy parts being slipped into the black market where Iran shops for components. Some prominent Iranians in recent years have mysteriously disappeared or died. They include General Ali Reza Asgari, reported to have defected; Ardeshir Hassanpour, a nuclear scientist, who died in 2007; and Shahram Amiri, another nuclear scientist, who went missing last year on the haj to Mecca.

What effect might all this have? Iranian scientists are said to have run into technical problems, with malfunctioning centrifuges, among other things. Inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency, the UN’s watchdog, have found that about half Iran’s centrifuges are idle and those that work are yielding little. Dennis Blair, America’s director of national intelligence, has taken this as evidence that Iran has been “experiencing some problems”.

A few days after the professor’s death, Al-Ahram, an Egyptian newspaper that tends to echo the government, ran a glowing front-page story calling Meir Dagan, head of Mossad, Israel’s spy service, the “Superman of the Jewish state”. But for him, it said, “Iran’s nuclear programme would long ago have been completed.”

[Sickbag]

The president of Iran is not a dictator , however much you may wish him to be, he was 'elected' in a far more fairer method then almost any of the heads of state that constitute the US allies in the region, and the sad thing is this is true even through it looks like that election was seriously flawed.

Or maybe not:
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... nt=652&lb=

Analysis of Multiple Polls Finds Little Evidence Iranian Public Sees Government as Illegitimate
February 3, 2010


Indications of fraud in the June 12 Iranian presidential election, together with large-scale street demonstrations, have led to claims that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad did not actually win the election, and that the majority of Iranians perceive their government as illegitimate and favor regime change.

An analysis of multiple polls of the Iranian public from three different sources finds little evidence to support such conclusions.

The analysis conducted by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland (PIPA), was based on:

• a series of 10 recently-released polls conducted by the University of Tehran; eight conducted in the month before the June 12 election and two conducted in the month after the election, based on telephone interviews conducted within Iran
• a poll by GlobeScan conducted shortly after the election, based on telephone interviews conducted within Iran
• a poll by WorldPublicOpinion.org (managed by PIPA) conducted August 27--September 10, based on telephone interviews made by calling into Iran
The study sought to address the widely-discussed hypotheses that Ahmadinejad did not win the June 12 election and that the Iranian people perceive their government as illegitimate. It also sought to explore the assumption that the opposition represents a movement favoring a substantially different posture toward the United States. The analysis of the data found little evidence to support any of these hypotheses.

[Verbal]

Amazing! I did some searching on http://www.theinternet.com and found this video of a CIA operative who was assassinated by the Iranian authorities. Justice was served.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0db_1245519048